Hey Donald Trump

[Trigger]

Trump offered something different from the cookie cutter politician, he babbles like the guy in the pub, has no filter and has personality in abundance.

He funded the military well and was good for the economy until covid came and broke that apart, without the pandemic he is easily still president.

People wanted change and they certainly got that. I don't think it's too unbelievable to see him getting 70+ mil votes. The country is deeply divided, was long before trump and will be long after him.

His opposition in the media and general public, who similarly with the brexit debate resort to insults and in his case actually never accept him as president merely fuels his supporters.

It's fascinating TV to watch

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Maybe the ignorant found someone they could identify with.

[Croesy Blue]

Maybe the ignorant found someone they could identify with.

A think a lot of people who follow him were people who were working jobs that aren't really there these days or weren't as well paid. People who come from 99.9% small towns. So when you have one party talking about equality and other issues like that is comes across as middle class people talking about things which don't really exist to them. Trump comes along insulting career politicians and promising a return of these jobs etc. and it's music to the average middle america voter's ears.

I can understand how people vote for him, I just wish everyone could see how dangerous and disingenuous he actually is.

[lardy]

A think a lot of people who follow him were people who were working jobs that aren't really there these days or weren't as well paid. People who come from 99.9% small towns. So when you have one party talking about equality and other issues like that is comes across as middle class people talking about things which don't really exist to them. Trump comes along insulting career politicians and promising a return of these jobs etc. and it's music to the average middle america voter's ears.

I can understand how people vote for him, I just wish everyone could see how dangerous and disingenuous he actually is.

This quote from Bob Woodward summed it up well:

“In 2016 Trump came along and smashed up the old order in a very definitive way,” he said. “If you want to know what’s happened in 2020, Biden represented the old order. The Democratic party has got to figure out how they change themselves.”


If Trump had hammered home the 47 years in politics line then he was on to a winner, but for some reason they went with the stupid Hunter Biden's laptop story. From over here, it is clear what Trump's threat to USA's future is, but for people between the coasts, they are sick of being overlooked. Trump saw that in 2016 and played on it, and that was more difficult to do as incumbent but it would have been a strong strategy.

I think the Democrats do have a problem in 2024. I think Kamala Harris looks smart and strong, but being a) female and b) not white will be a major problem to lots of the country. She is pretty much guaranteed to be the Democrat candidate so they are going to need to plan.

For all that we talk about racism on the rise in the UK, we know that being a woman isn't a barrier to being PM and I think a non-white person could easily be elected here. But in the US? Not so sure.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

This quote from Bob Woodward summed it up well:

“In 2016 Trump came along and smashed up the old order in a very definitive way,” he said. “If you want to know what’s happened in 2020, Biden represented the old order. The Democratic party has got to figure out how they change themselves.”


If Trump had hammered home the 47 years in politics line then he was on to a winner, but for some reason they went with the stupid Hunter Biden's laptop story. From over here, it is clear what Trump's threat to USA's future is, but for people between the coasts, they are sick of being overlooked. Trump saw that in 2016 and played on it, and that was more difficult to do as incumbent but it would have been a strong strategy.

I think the Democrats do have a problem in 2024. I think Kamala Harris looks smart and strong, but being a) female and b) not white will be a major problem to lots of the country. She is pretty much guaranteed to be the Democrat candidate so they are going to need to plan.

For all that we talk about racism on the rise in the UK, we know that being a woman isn't a barrier to being PM and I think a non-white person could easily be elected here. But in the US? Not so sure.

America has elected a black president

[lardy]

America has elected a black president

Yeah I really meant to say non-white woman in the last bit.

They did elect Obama but then there was a backlash that I'd hope wouldn't happen in the UK with birtherism etc.

[az city]

America has elected a black president

EXACTLY

[Taunton Blue Genie]

A think a lot of people who follow him were people who were working jobs that aren't really there these days or weren't as well paid. People who come from 99.9% small towns. So when you have one party talking about equality and other issues like that is comes across as middle class people talking about things which don't really exist to them. Trump comes along insulting career politicians and promising a return of these jobs etc. and it's music to the average middle america voter's ears.

I can understand how people vote for him, I just wish everyone could see how dangerous and disingenuous he actually is.

And they don't see the irony in the fact that they probably pay more in taxes every year than the self-acclaimed successful businessman who they think represents their interests.

[Croesy Blue]

Trump offered something different from the cookie cutter politician, he babbles like the guy in the pub, has no filter and has personality in abundance.

He funded the military well and was good for the economy until covid came and broke that apart, without the pandemic he is easily still president.

People wanted change and they certainly got that. I don't think it's too unbelievable to see him getting 70+ mil votes. The country is deeply divided, was long before trump and will be long after him.

His opposition in the media and general public, who similarly with the brexit debate resort to insults and in his case actually never accept him as president merely fuels his supporters.

It's fascinating TV to watch

The thing is he wasn't actually good for the economy. He was good for the stock market by pumping a bubble full or loans etc.

The problem was his actual base wouldn't see that they'd see a line going up on a chart which has zero real affect on them and say wow look how good the economy is!

[az city]

Trump offered something different from the cookie cutter politician, he babbles like the guy in the pub, has no filter and has personality in abundance.

He funded the military well and was good for the economy until covid came and broke that apart, without the pandemic he is easily still president.

People wanted change and they certainly got that. I don't think it's too unbelievable to see him getting 70+ mil votes. The country is deeply divided, was long before trump and will be long after him.

His opposition in the media and general public, who similarly with the brexit debate resort to insults and in his case actually never accept him as president merely fuels his supporters.

It's fascinating TV to watch

That is such an inappropriate summary it is difficult to know where to start.

Trump does not have personality. He's a loud mouth with no brains.

He has not been good for the economy. Generally governments do very little in terms of affecting an economy. He inherited a boom and stoked it up with the largest fiscal deficits in history. And btw the rich have benefited not the little people he supposedly stands up for. Utter idiocy.

The country was not deeply divided before Trump. People spoke to each other regardless of their politics and got along. Now neighbours don't speak and minorities are increasingly marginalized by Trumpers. Trump gave space for bigotry to explode and the closet bigots came out. Trust me, it's worse now that before Trump.

You have a completely different take on Trump and Brexit to me. The right offered lies and platitudes in the UK and the US and the opposition to Trump/Brexit has largely composed of careful analysis and incontrovertible facts. Brexit/Trump played to simple incorrect tropes and let loose the apocalypse of the rule of the moronic.

It's not fun to live. Enjoy the TV.