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sums up my view on the game too
I'd say that he's bang on.
The cold hard facts are that out of 33 points on offer, we have taken 13, the suggested average for a side challenging for a top 6 spot was 2 points per game.
We dont look much like a side that can do that, and we certainly don't look like we can create opportunities to get anywhere near the top of the table.
I cant see the board putting up with this for much longer.
It's predictable, we play one phase where we attempt to awkwardly pass the ball, that fails, phase two, knock a long ball or over the head of the fullback for the wide player to chase. Absolutely not good enough by any stretch. How can that type of football become more refined when it's reliant on the other team making mistakes, it's just a case of giving the ball away and hoping that someone in a blue shirt picks up the second ball. It's crap.Originally Posted by olderblue
Nah that’s harsh. We weren’t just hitting hopeful balls over the fullback and looking 2nd balls. We had more possession than them, were trying to play through the lines when we could. Created overloads for Bennet all night. Got umpteen crosses into the box, 17 attempts at goal and just could not get the goal despite missing chances that were easier to score. The Hoilet one was shocking.
I see a flaw with getting so many crosses into the box. Neither Glatzel nor Moore are the best headers of the ball, neither are they noted for scoring goals with their heads. Neither offer enough movement to get on the end of crosses. It would be interesting to find out how many crosses were headed away. I mentioned in another thread that Moore wins around 60% of his headers. Given his height advantage, I find that surprisingly low.
We did play with some purpose but I'd be interested to see what our overall xG stats are. My impression is that we didn't create many very good chances. The best chance of the game happened after 100 seconds.
https://www.infogol.net/en/matches/r...20-11-06/76932
1.63 vs 0.74. There were a few golden chances we didn't take.
Cheers for that. I have a new app/website to enjoy!
So despite the number of chances we had, we didn't create much that was clear cut.
Those stats read well. I didn't see the game. What went wrong?
What has happened to Hoilett this season? He played well for the first time in ages on Tuesday, but put in another sluggish performance yesterday.
Exactly
There were a few occasions where we mis-controlled it or the forwards fluffed their lines. Harris can't be blamed for that
Feck me, now Wilson's header at the back post wasn't a chance because it wasn't on the deck?! Neither was Moore's header from the corner.https://twitter.com/PaulAbbandonato/...12188478021635
Harris says Cardiff were 'outstanding', created 'chance after chance'. Were they? Did they? Not sure I saw it that way? A few headers, yes, but for me proper chances are carving open a team on the deck and someone in the clear having ball at his feet, not jumping with defenders?
We're not winning games and we need to be, we're conceding goals first and from set-pieces and we really need to stop that, but the football is getting better and there are a number of reasons that teams trying to evolve would find the congested calendar tougher.
Glen Williams says: "There’s no question this group of players is performing well below the sum of its parts. That simply has to change."
Paul Abbandonato later says: "Just hope he starts getting the sum of the parts adding up because this is a good squad at Championship level."
Warnock's greatest trick was convincing the Walesonline press that this is a really good squad. The starting 11 is a good one but we haven't been shown anything yet to suggest it's a deep squad of talent.
I actually thought that you were going to answer your own question then when you mentioned Warnock, but you went in a different direction.
For all of Warnock’s faults he did the exact opposite of what Harris is doing: he got a group of journeymen footballers, who no one wanted (Hoillett, Bamba, NML) to become better than the sum of their parts. For nearly the first 2 seasons anyway, and got us promoted.
He wasn’t great at spending money in the transfer market but his initial ability to motivate a not-especially-great group of players to play together as a team is exactly what Harris seems to lack, and Harris has MUCH better players to work with.
We paid a total of £58m for Gary Madine, Lee Tomlin, Danny Ward, Omar Bogle, Josh Murphy, Bobby Reid, Greg Cunningham, Alex Smithies, Leandro Bacuna, Robert Glatzel, Aden Flint, Will Vaulks, Isaac Vassell, Gavin Whyte, and Marlon Pack while Neil Warnock was managing the club.
He was ****ing awful at spending money in transfer market.
I'd contrast Warnock to Dave Jones before doing so to Harris who hasn't had enough time yet for me to feel comfortable assessing his pros and cons. Dave Jones brought together talented misfits and got them play well together for first 2-3 months before things tended to go wrong, Warnock brought together misfits of varying talent and got them to play well together for 2 and a half years before things started to go wrong.
Of course he can, he's the manager. 1-0 down after 2 minutes is piss poor, serious lack of concentration. Not being able to convert chances seems to be equated to bad luck. If a defender misses a tackle then it's looked at more critically. What'd the difference? it's still poor judgement in most cases.
So it’s Neil Harris fault that a professional football somehow managed to head the ball BACKWARDS and miss an open goal from 3 yards out? Yeah OK
If he signed that player or keeps showing faith i that player, and he continues to make mistakes, then he is responsible, hence the fact that football managers lose their jobs....If only player X could tackle.....If only player Y had a better touch etc. You know the drillSo it’s Neil Harris fault that a professional football somehow managed to head the ball BACKWARDS and miss an open goal from 3 yards out? Yeah OK
I agree, I think people are being way too harsh. There is definite improvement in the way we play, people are expecting miracles overnight.
I just think the manager isn’t fashionable enough for some people.
I agree, I thought we played well last night up to a point - that point being an inability to put some decent to good chances into the net. We shouldn't have lost and if we had taken two of our chances, the talk on here would have been about how we were headed into the top six, but, on this occasion, our much mentioned lack of creativity did not apply and, rarely, it was an inability to finish, or just as importantly, a lack of the instinct which takes natural scorers into the areas where the ball was going to break which cost us. The game made for frustrating viewing, but I quite enjoyed some of our build up play even though we still have too much fixation about "getting the ball up to the big man".
We have definitely played better in the last two games this week, but the facts remain as they are
13 points out of a potential 33, one win at home
Also a frustrating trait of conceding early from KO hasn't been stopped.
We are a mid table side and not looking likely to kick on, if fans had been allowed back in this season I doubt Harris would still be here?
He might need more time to get the players in that he wants, but weather he is given that time remains to be seen.?
I thought we played really well. Dominated midfield and moved the ball around. We even played out from the back!
Should have won the game. Poor finishing cost us.
I think we did alright it's easy to be critical basing it on results.
There probably isn't a great philosophy but that doesn't mean we can't win games and we were the better team.
Goal conceded was poor from Bennett and hoilett imo.
It's a results based industry, fans will put up with a lot as long as results go there way
We have taken 6 points out of the last 18 on offer
That's almost relegation form, at best just above the drop zone.
Results are everything in Football
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