Interesting articles but rather flimsy reasons why Swansea and Hull for instance are successful and Cardiff quite the opposite.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-new-build-era
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-stadium-moves
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Interesting articles but rather flimsy reasons why Swansea and Hull for instance are successful and Cardiff quite the opposite.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-new-build-era
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-stadium-moves
I think it's very harsh to say our stadium move was unsuccessful.
Where would we be if we were still in ninian park?
What would our average crowds be?
Why is it that much different from the Swansea one, to say that their move was one of the best and ours was one of the worst?
Fair enough some of them are clear- like Coventry, even then it wan't the move that was the problem, just everything else that happened at the same time.
A more thoughtful analysis could have taken into account the level of dislocation for fans. Moving Reading from walking distance of the town centre to a motorway junction with little or no pubs and eating places for instance.Originally Posted by Rjk
I agree, I struggle to see the justification for many of those choices in either category and, reading what they say about ours, it seems that they were struggling for one or two more to get up to ten so they decided to include us - if Tan changed those red seats to blue, we'd probably have been in the ten best article
I agree, I struggle to see the justification for many of those choices in either category and, reading what they say about ours, it seems that they were struggling for one or two more to get up to ten so they decided to include us - if Tan changed those red seats to blue, we'd probably have been in the ten best article
Quite.
A daft article.
The most glaring is Huddersfield who have been in the Premiership once since they built their new Stadium, though admittedly for 2 years.I agree, I struggle to see the justification for many of those choices in either category and, reading what they say about ours, it seems that they were struggling for one or two more to get up to ten so they decided to include us - if Tan changed those red seats to blue, we'd probably have been in the ten best article
We have gone up to the Premiership twice, reached an FA Cup Final, a League Cup final, several championship playoffs including onne unsuccessful play off final and been in with a chanced of the Playoffs until late on in almost every season since 2008.
We could have done better on occasions but most Championship clubs would love our sort of failure!!
Weve got a brilliant stadium in a good location.
indeed, for me a stadium and a club is for everyone ,not just car owners , council planning should consider all aspects when granting a new build that includes discounts for using brown field inner city sites that generates local business growth and jobs , not just focus on shinny new motorways stop off sites aligned with big corporate financed builds
To call out move across the road a failure is a strange one.
Indeed , most of the failures seem linked to on field matters rather than the actual grounds.
For me the move was needed and delivered without totally ruining the club financially. To bring up the red shirts is just an excuse imo to justify the inclusion in the article.
I consider the move to have reflected the upward curve of the club and has given the club a facility that is appropriate for=the modern game/supporter.
I appreciate many moan about the loss of atmosphere but, frankly, there was mostly little atmosphere at Ninian outside of the big games.
Only thing wrong with CCS is the hideous, cheap and now dirty and worn cladding - other than that, the location, size, atmosphere when full house is all very good indeed - shit article.
...is the right answer
The stadium is excellent in many ways but exiting the stadium from the terraces takes longer than it does at Barcelona. There's a real choke point before reaching the vomitorium.
P.S. FAO Mr Morris: still no tbg smiley
Used to love/hate the penguin march in NP. CCS is better than that at least when exiting IMO.The stadium is excellent in many ways but exiting the stadium from the terraces takes longer than it does at Barcelona. There's a real choke point before reaching the vomitorium.
P.S. FAO Mr Morris: still no tbg smiley
Our stadium’s location meant that nothing changed pre or post match for the fans, one of the main things for me.
Even if it had glass cladding or something, it's still an uninteresting, generic construction.
When people talk about "What would have happened had we stayed at Ninian Park?" I just think about Craven cottage. It's much more interesting to redevelop individual stands as and when the need arises.
Instead of moving to the CCS they could have redeveloped the Grandstand and made a beautiful 7k stand, which would have upped the attendance enough for a championship side with average gates of 20K. After that , do something with the canton stand. After that , put a new roof on the bob bank with a repainted Captain Morgan Rum on the top. Extend the Grange End back a bit.....maybe an overhanging top tier.
All of this done well and overtime would give us a stadium with and attendance of between 30-40k
What we have is functional but souless space to watch sport. When people talk about atmosphere, this is something that is generated by the fans and having a successful football team. I'd prefer to go to watch City play Carlisle in the 4th Division at Ninian Park than I would watch us play Morecambe in League Two at the CCS. The CCS is a totally horrible place to be when there are 5k people there.....just in terms of the venue itself.
Yeah but a developed NP would be a horrible place to be with 5k. Just like the old NP used to be horrible holding 2.5k in a 20k stadium.
A 20,000 stadium? Let’s not forget, 2 and a half thousand of us were rattling around in a 60,000 capacity stadium really, the footprint hadn’t altered that much.
It's not just the seating. It's the facilities. How are you going to develop the bob bank? It was basically a giant hill. And there was no room at either end. Not to mention the undersoil heating, changing rooms, storage, office space, parking etc. Next time you're enjoying a piss after your third pint, remember the Bob-bank.
Ninian Park had the massive disadvantage of being boxed in by the railway behind the Bob Bank. Access all around the stadium is so much more practical.
Absolutely and being able to stagger to and from the ground into a pub whilst avoiding motorways is critical
Wouldn’t agree with you about interesting, absolute waste of time and effort and a load of rubbish. Waste of space in every way.
Nonsense article. Wales games are played at the CCS for a reason. I’ve loved being part of a brilliant atmosphere on a number of occasions there.
That is a very good point regarding Wales games and I never considered the obvious fact, that you can not blame our stadium for any lack of atmosphere, in fact it is the complete opposite, as Wales games played at the CCS show that atmospheres can and have often been phenomenal.
You only need to look at the design of the Stade de France, to see how a stadium can be built that allows large numbers of people to exit a crowded area quickly. I think it was based loosely on some Roman Colosseum layouts.The stadium is excellent in many ways but exiting the stadium from the terraces takes longer than it does at Barcelona. There's a real choke point before reaching the vomitorium.
P.S. FAO Mr Morris: still no tbg smiley
I think they could have pared each article down to 5 grounds and it would have been made them much more pertinent. Our ground is perfectly fine. Sure it would look better if all the seats were blue, but it's not like that's something that's completely beyond the club. It could happen at any time. The unsuccessful grounds piece in particular was weak. Who cares about Portsmouth's ground that didn't get built.
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