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    The fact that this vile piece of work is very popular with Tories says all that needs to be said. Johnson has no standards so sees no need for his crew to have any.

  2. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    So what exactly is wrong with what she said ? Some of the reasons that law and order is failing in this country is the lack of any meaningful deterrent and the useless parole system which lets convicted terrorists, murderers, paedophiles etc out on the streets a short time into their sentances and also the influence of the so called ‘lilly livered liberals’ in our society who bleat on about these peoples human rights and right to live, when the criminals have absolutely no regard for the rights of the people they slaughter and assault.
    It's not what she said, she has been found out as a BULLY, are you that friggin' thick to read the post, why do you have to come out with crap in virtually every post?

  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Out of interest when was the last year that "lily livered liberals" has legislative responsibility for the criminal justice system?
    2015 if you're being generous, but, essentially, the same party has been running the country for over a decade. These right wingers are a strange lot, they've been in power in America for four years, yet to hear them talk they've been ambushed by the opposition who have nobbled the voting system and over here, they still bleat on about the mess they inherited in 2010, now it seems they are being thwarted by "lily liveried liberals" at every turn .

  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    what's the point in having an advisor if you're not going to listen to them? if she's guilty then she needs to go.

    however, since Patel is a woman and of Asian heritage, in this day and age can Boris really remove her without the triggered lot going into overdrive? Perhaps that is part of his thinking.
    Do you get triggered by triggered people?

  5. #35

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    The investigation showed Ms. Patel did act in a bullying fashion, which she has apologised(ish) for, but Tory MP's going on TV to say "the definition of bullying is a judgment call" and "Boris' judgement was that it wasn't bullying," and tweeting out their support for her.

    Why undermine the anti-bullying message? Why not say she's very sorry, she was never given feedback so could never adjust her behaviour, she wasn't supported in the job, things went badly wrong and she's very sorry. But of course Boris and team avoid apologising (almost) at all costs so excuses have to be made.

    The last time they all came out to defend someone was Dominic Cummings who was then kicked out 6 months later, partly, because he and his team were calling Boris' missus an insulting nickname based on her behaviour and her looks. It's just all cheapening politics and setting a really, really bad example.

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    The investigation showed Ms. Patel did act in a bullying fashion, which she has apologised(ish) for, but Tory MP's going on TV to say "the definition of bullying is a judgment call" and "Boris' judgement was that it wasn't bullying," and tweeting out their support for her.

    Why undermine the anti-bullying message? Why not say she's very sorry, she was never given feedback so could never adjust her behaviour, she wasn't supported in the job, things went badly wrong and she's very sorry. But of course Boris and team avoid apologising (almost) at all costs so excuses have to be made.

    The last time they all came out to defend someone was Dominic Cummings who was then kicked out 6 months later, partly, because he and his team were calling Boris' missus an insulting nickname based on her behaviour and her looks. It's just all cheapening politics and setting a really, really bad example.
    Steady on

  7. #37

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    Patel is , like her supporters , an idiot

    Capital punishment has never , ever deterred murderers and there are numerous examples , even very recently of people being found to be innocent .

    Which if Patel had her way would mean they would be dead.

  8. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    So what exactly is wrong with what she said ? Some of the reasons that law and order is failing in this country is the lack of any meaningful deterrent and the useless parole system which lets convicted terrorists, murderers, paedophiles etc out on the streets a short time into their sentances and also the influence of the so called ‘lilly livered liberals’ in our society who bleat on about these peoples human rights and right to live, when the criminals have absolutely no regard for the rights of the people they slaughter and assault.
    Ladies and Gentlemen allow me to introduce to you the newly appointed editor of The Sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by tforturton View Post
    Okay, I'm going to chuck the cat amongst the pigeons here, and say that the Home Office has needed a good kick up the arse for years (think Windrush scandal, Grenfell, and other failings). Maybe they're just a little bit complacent, and stuck in their ways, and maybe Priti Patel is just the right person to deliver that short, sharp shock? Someone who will sort things out, and will not take any sh*t from anyone?
    That said, bullying is bullying, and she has been pulled up once before (remember the holiday that wasn't?), so I'm surprised she's held on to her post.
    Do you honestly think Pritti Patel is the answer to the Home Office record on Windrush, child citizenship and other scandals? Grenfell is also a continuing scandal - but the Home Office is not the main culprit. She will 'stir things up' but not as a way of righting wrongs or sorting things out. Incredible she hasn't resigned. Even more incredible that the clown in No 10 hasn't sacked her. Completely credible that dml1954 has jumped in to defend the indefensible (again)!

  10. #40

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    If shouting at employees is a sackable offence , stay way from some of life's tougher jobs especially in the world of manufacturing and factory environments ,shouting is the lesser of behaviours.

  11. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Well I've not really followed the story as it has zero interest so I'm not qualified at all to hold an opinion on the subject.
    Genuine question. You've been quite dormant on this board for a number of years after being a moron for many. Why have you decided to ramp things up and become Feedback v.2? You're coming across as quite a far right character that you never were.

  12. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Ladies and Gentlemen allow me to introduce to you the newly appointed editor of The Sun
    Well, he's proved in other issues that he hasn't a clue, so you could be right.

  13. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If shouting at employees is a sackable offence , stay way from some of life's tougher jobs especially in the world of manufacturing and factory environments ,shouting is the lesser of behaviours.
    Abusive behaviour happens and therefore it is acceptable. It's an interesting defence.

  14. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If shouting at employees is a sackable offence , stay way from some of life's tougher jobs especially in the world of manufacturing and factory environments ,shouting is the lesser of behaviours.
    "" those who fail to recognise there is a problem , are part of the problem "

  15. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    "" those who fail to recognise there is a problem , are part of the problem "
    There's always a post.

  16. #46

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    A man who once conspired to have a journalist beaten up ensuring one of his henchmen wenches keeps her job isn’t a surprise is it?

    Boris will do what suits him not what s right (not a surprise either).

    Boris is a massive cuunt (obviously not a surprise).

  17. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culť View Post
    A man who once conspired to have a journalist beaten up ensuring one of his henchmen wenches keeps her job isnít a surprise is it?

    Boris will do what suits him not what s right (not a surprise either).

    Boris is a massive cuunt (obviously not a surprise).
    He can do what he wants

    He has an 80 seat majority

    The Labour Party lost loads of seats to the krankies in Scotland

    The liberals are crap and lost seats to the blue meanies

    That idiot Cameron gave this stupid country the free vote on Europe, the masses fell for the bull and when boris and Cummings pushed the Get Brexit Done election , former Labour voters fell Hook line and sinker

    Unless something dramatic happens we are stuck with the clown for years

  18. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If shouting at employees is a sackable offence , stay way from some of life's tougher jobs especially in the world of manufacturing and factory environments ,shouting is the lesser of behaviours.
    "Shouting is the lesser of behaviours" doesn't make sense to the rest of us who speak English.

  19. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    He can do what he wants

    He has an 80 seat majority

    The Labour Party lost loads of seats to the krankies in Scotland

    The liberals are crap and lost seats to the blue meanies

    That idiot Cameron gave this stupid country the free vote on Europe, the masses fell for the bull and when boris and Cummings pushed the Get Brexit Done election , former Labour voters fell Hook line and sinker

    Unless something dramatic happens we are stuck with the clown for years
    From the Daily Mail this week.

    Boris is on ‘notice’.

    The Tories needed him to deliver Brexit, nothing more, nothing less. The funny thing is he’ll knob that up (in Tory eyes) because he can’t win either way with the right wing loopers in the Tory party nor those who want to protect industry. Luckily for Boris though is he’ll do what suits him and doesn’t answer to any conscience or principles.

    It would’ve been better for all if Covid-19 had put him out of action permanently.

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  21. #51

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    Some balance , no I'm not a Pritti fan


    Gordon Brown's abusive behaviour and volcanic eruptions of foul temper left Downing Street staff so frightened that he received an unprecedented reprimand from the head of the civil service, an explosive new book by the Observer's Andrew Rawnsley reveals today.

    Sir Gus O'Donnell, the cabinet secretary, became so alarmed by the prime minister's behaviour that he launched his own investigations when he received reports of Brown's bullying of staff. O'Donnell then gave the prime minister a stern "pep talk" and ordered him to change his behaviour. "This is no way to get things done," he told Brown.

    The revelation that the prime minister's behaviour was so extreme that it triggered a warning from Whitehall's most powerful official will shock the political world and is bound to lead to claims from his opponents that he is not fit for another five years in office as a general election draws near.

    Rawnsley's book also reveals that after the debacle of the cancelled election in 2007 an increasingly unpopular Brown became more and more paranoid. When briefed that November about the loss of confidential data discs, containing the personal details of more than 20 million people, he leapt across the room and grabbed Gavin Kelly, his deputy chief of staff, by the lapels of his jacket. Brown snarled into Kelly's face: "They're out to get me!"

    These incidents, and others, are revealed in the vivid and extraordinary account by Rawnsley of how Brown treated employees at all levels – from top aides to duty clerks and secretaries. He paints a picture of an often lonely and desperate figure who took out his frustrations on those around him as he struggled to cope with the pressures of running the country in his early months in No 10.

    According to Rawnsley, O'Donnell was so disturbed by the effect on those in Downing Street that he took it upon himself to try "to calm down frightened duty clerks, badly treated phone operators and other bruised staff by telling them, 'Don't take it personally'".

    During one rage, while in his official car, Brown clenched his fist in fury after being told some unwelcome news and then thumped the back of the passenger seat with such force that a protection officer sitting in the front flinched with shock. The aide sitting next to Brown, who had just told him the information that provoked the outburst, cowered because he feared "that the prime minister was about to hit him in the face".

    Rawnsley writes that "the cream upholstery of the seat-back in front of Brown was flecked with black marks. When having a meltdown the prime minister would habitually stab it with his black marker pen."

    Rawnsley's book, The End of the Party, charts Labour's second and third terms in power and is based on hundreds of interviews with witnesses to the key events in the government's life, including cabinet ministers, No 10 officials and senior civil servants.

    Rawnsley reveals that another victim of the prime minister's wrath was Bob Shrum, a respected American political consultant and speechwriter, who had worked for Brown for years. When Brown was accused of plagiarising phrases used by Al Gore and Bill Clinton in his 2007 conference speech, the prime minister screamed at a shaking Shrum: "How could you do this to me, Bob? How could you ****ing do this to me?"

    A senior adviser on foreign affairs, Stewart Wood, found himself on the end of a similarly shocking volley of verbal abuse when he attempted to brief the prime minister about a Downing Street reception for European ambassadors. "Why have I got to meet these ****ing people?" he yelled at Wood. "Why are you making me meet these ****ing people?" Brown then roughly shoved aside the stunned adviser.

    Rawnsley also recounts how an angrily impatient Brown became so furious with a No 10 typist that he turfed her out of her seat and took over the keyboard.

    However, the book does show the softer side of the prime minister, recounting how he is capable of being incredibly solicitous towards colleagues at times of family emergency and bereavement.

    The book, serialised in the Observer today and next Sunday, contains the most detailed and authoritative account of Labour's decline into infighting and bitterness under Brown. It also exposes the extent of the tense, mistrustful and often acrimonious relationship between Brown and his chancellor, Alistair Darling, which at times has come close to breaking point.

    After Darling had issued a warning, in an interview in 2008, that the economic crisis would be the worst for 60 years, Brown flew into a rage – believing such pessimism would be politically damaging – and told the chancellor in a furious telephone call that the financial turmoil "will be over in six months". In fact, the country was entering a recession that would last 18 months and the chancellor was later entirely vindicated.

    Rawnsley tells how by the summer of 2008, when memories of his initial honeymoon as prime minister had long faded, those closest to Brown saw him gripped by dark despair. "That summer Brown descended into a terrible place, politically, psychologically and physically," he writes. A senior politician, who saw the prime minister shortly before parliament broke for the summer holidays, said: "He looked absolutely terrible. The shoulders were hunched. The flesh was literally dripping off his face. I wanted to give him a hug."

    His wife Sarah told friends she was very worried about her husband. "I used to believe Gordon when he said he wasn't a workaholic," Sarah Brown told one friend over lunch. "I don't now."

    Last night an official spokesman for the prime minister refuted the claims made in Rawnsley's book: "These malicious allegations are totally without foundation."

    Earlier Brown had admitted he was "not perfect", but urged voters to take a "second look" at Labour in a speech designed to appeal to former supporters who might have deserted the party. He told a rally at Warwick University, in Coventry, that David Cameron's policies were the "same old Conservative economics of the 1980s", and claimed Labour was the party of change. He also revealed the party would fight the election under the slogan "a future fair for all". In his speech, Brown praised his colleagues in the cabinet, including Darling, Harriet Harman and Peter Mandelson.

    A YouGov poll published today by the Sunday Times, meanwhile, reveals that the gap between Labour and the Conservatives has shrunk to just six points – the closest position in more than a year.

  22. #52

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    Jeez. I thought that if shouting at employees is a sackable offence , stay way from some of life's tougher jobs especially in the world of manufacturing and factory environments ,shouting is the lesser of behaviours.

    I know there is always a post but what has happened for you to come over all snowflake about Brown a decade after the Guardian article you cut and pasted but didn't date was written?

  23. #53

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    I wonder if the whole scenario was flipped and say Diane Abbott was the home secretary and she was found to be shouting and swearing, would the argument then be about those upper class white tory man, civil servants , causing these behaviours.

  24. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I wonder if the whole scenario was flipped and say Diane Abbott was the home secretary and she was found to be shouting and swearing, would the argument then be about those upper class white tory man, civil servants , causing these behaviours.
    You forgot the "Some balance, I'm not a Priti fan" second time around.

  25. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Jeez. I thought that if shouting at employees is a sackable offence , stay way from some of life's tougher jobs especially in the world of manufacturing and factory environments ,shouting is the lesser of behaviours.

    I know there is always a post but what has happened for you to come over all snowflake about Brown a decade after the Guardian article you cut and pasted but didn't date was written?

  26. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I wonder if the whole scenario was flipped and say Diane Abbott was the home secretary and she was found to be shouting and swearing, would the argument then be about those upper class white tory man, civil servants , causing these behaviours.
    Strange that you chose her for "some balance". Bullying behaviour is bullying behaviour no matter what the person responsibles politics, but, as far as I know, a Labour politician has not kept their Cabinet job after being found guilty of such conduct, even if it was "unintentional", by the independent person charged with adjudicating on such matters - I'm pretty certain the Prime Minister involved has never ignored the adjudicator's verdict like Johnson did either. You are, in effect, accusing others of making this party political while, like Johnson, doing the same thing yourself.

  27. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I wonder if the whole scenario was flipped and say Diane Abbott was the home secretary and she was found to be shouting and swearing, would the argument then be about those upper class white tory man, civil servants , causing these behaviours.
    And I wonder what we'd be saying if the home secretary was a five year old boy. I doubt the media reaction would be the same then, eh?


    I can't quite get my head around your argument here. Neither Patel nor Abbott are white or male, so what are you driving at?

  28. #58

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    I should imagine those who wanted Brexit are not worried about her behaviour probaly see her as standing up to inefficiencies at Whitehall and sorting ut the old boys school , on the flip side she is seen as a Brexit bully by remainers , like Cummings as the Brexit deal approaches she will be gone from this role , money is on Kit Malthouse in the re shuffle due in the new year, he's a big chum of Boris .

  29. #59

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I should imagine those who wanted Brexit are not worried about her behaviour probaly see her as standing up to inefficiencies at Whitehall and sorting ut the old boys school , on the flip side she is seen as a Brexit bully by remainers , like Cummings as the Brexit deal approaches she will be gone from this role , money is on Kit Malthouse in the re shuffle due in the new year, he's a big chum of Boris .
    Ummm... What?

  30. #60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Ummm... What?
    Let me help.

    Firstly this was not real bullying. You need to go to other sectors of the economy to see it done properly;

    Secondly, it was clear that when people voted for Brexit the main reason they were doing so was to allow ineffective white male public servants to be slapped around by their new political masters;

    Thirdly, Remainers wanted to stay because, unlike the people who voted Brexit who love it and can't get enough of it, they hate bullying because only continued membership of the European Union could stop them being bullied;

    Fourthly, however those Remainer and lefty types would soon change their tune if it was Diane Abbot or Gordon Brown doing the bullying. Then those ineffective white male public servants clearly had it coming as everyone knows they are really closet Tories;

    Finally it's all irrelevant anyway as there will be a new Home Secretary who is white, male and one of Boris Johnson's bestest mates, who will then be very nice to those ineffective white male public servants and we all live happily ever after.


    Got it now?

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