Vassell

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Why would they release private details of a players contract ?. Thats not something they do. It isn't the club speculating about his contract, fee or wages. It is a number of ‘know all’ fans. It was announced as an an ‘undisclosed fee’ for a reason. He is obviously injury prone and his signing was a gamble but so what ? It could have come off.

He cost 3m. Regardless of his wages, it was mental. His injury record was abysmal and as much as I feel sorry for the bloke, it was absolute crazy to sign him at the time.

[dml1954]

He cost 3m. Regardless of his wages, it was mental. His injury record was abysmal and as much as I feel sorry for the bloke, it was absolute crazy to sign him at the time.

How do you know we paid £3m for him ?

[The Lone Gunman]

For all you lot know, bearing in mind his previous injury, he could be on a pay as you play deal and the transfer fee was probably structured based on appearances and/or goals scored. In which case he will so far have cost us very little!

Any news of that massive Gary Madine loan fee? Have Sheffield Utd coughed up yet?

[The Lone Gunman]

It is very easy to criticise a player or a club for signing him in the first place, if you don't have any true facts about how much he cost or how much he is being paid. For all you lot know, bearing in mind his previous injury, he could be on a pay as you play deal and the transfer fee was probably structured based on appearances and/or goals scored. In which case he will so far have cost us very little.

After Vassell had scored the winner against Luton on his debut, Hatters boss Graeme Jones told the press: "At one stage, he was coming here (Luton). But other clubs got involved and we were unable to compete financially."

Before City had actually signed Vassell, Jones said: "Cardiff have financially gone out on a limb for him and that’s obviously how it is."

https://thelutonian.com/cardiff-have...ys-luton-boss/

Luton were very keen to sign him, Swansea were keen to sign him, Middlesbrough had previously been interested but had dropped out of the race due to the cost and fears about his injury record, Birmingham couldn't afford to keep him, and yet you seem to seriously believe Vassell's deal with Cardiff (a three-year contract, no less) could be on a pay-as-you-play basis and he might have been a very cheap signing.

You don't really think these things through, do you?

[xsnaggle]

NH didn’t mention him yesterday. Apparently he has a foot problem. Does he need a chiropodist or a pschyiatrist?

Yes that's true. He can't use either one!!

[Heisenberg]

It is very easy to criticise a player or a club for signing him in the first place, if you don't have any true facts about how much he cost or how much he is being paid. For all you lot know, bearing in mind his previous injury, he could be on a pay as you play deal and the transfer fee was probably structured based on appearances and/or goals scored. In which case he will so far have cost us very little. He was signed for his potential and could still come off in future. Easy target for the keyboard warriors who have no idea what the facts are but why let facts get in the way of a good bit of Warnock bashing eh !

This is too good

[dml1954]

This is too good

So, come on then, how much was his transfer fee, what are they paying him. No idea ? I thought so. Know all.

[Michael Morris]

I don't think he'll ever be fit enough to play again

Another setback for Isaac Vassell, quad has gone again. Neil Harris says it could alter the club's thinking now in January.

Cardiff thought they had enough forwards in their ranks, but long-term Tomlin and Vassell absences are big blows #CCFC #Bluebirds https://t.co/BQDeVReEf4

— Glen Williams (@GlenWilliams12) November 28, 2020

[2b2bdoo]

Awful signing, hardly difficult to predict either.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Why would they release private details of a players contract ?. Thats not something they do. It isn't the club speculating about his contract, fee or wages. It is a number of ‘know all’ fans. It was announced as an an ‘undisclosed fee’ for a reason. He is obviously injury prone and his signing was a gamble but so what ? It could have come off.

Jesus Christ, no wonder you get so much stick on here!

So, by your way of thinking, perhaps a club shouldn't disclose how long a contract is for, because that would be 'private', right? There are things related to a player's contract which are obviously not for disclosure, salary being the main one. But certain terms of contract have always been out there - a 'pay-as-you-play' arrangement being one example.
The player's agent would look for it to be known he is on such a contract, in the hope that another club would come in with a better offer of a more secure deal.

[life on mars]

After Vassell had scored the winner against Luton on his debut, Hatters boss Graeme Jones told the press: "At one stage, he was coming here (Luton). But other clubs got involved and we were unable to compete financially."

Before City had actually signed Vassell, Jones said: "Cardiff have financially gone out on a limb for him and that’s obviously how it is."

https://thelutonian.com/cardiff-have...ys-luton-boss/

Luton were very keen to sign him, Swansea were keen to sign him, Middlesbrough had previously been interested but had dropped out of the race due to the cost and fears about his injury record, Birmingham couldn't afford to keep him, and yet you seem to seriously believe Vassell's deal with Cardiff (a three-year contract, no less) could be on a pay-as-you-play basis and he might have been a very cheap signing.

You don't really think these things through, do you?

Some thought hevess worth a punt unless everyone ls a fecking bulshitter

[The Lone Gunman]

Some thought hevess worth a punt unless everyone ls a fecking bulshitter

Try again.

[Welshcake.]

Watched Vassell have to come off in u23 game he played a few months ago, burst into tears and Harris had to comfort him. He seems to really care at least.

[life on mars]

Try again.

Some managers thought he was worth a punt unless it was all media /agent bullshit 😇

[The Lone Gunman]

Some managers thought he was worth a punt unless it was all media /agent bullshit ��

Undoubtedly. He's clearly a promising player when fit, which unfortunately is very rarely. Warnock decided to take a punt, but it didn't pay off. However, the notion that it was a cheap punt, as dml1954 claims, is clearly nonsense based on all of the available evidence.

[the other bob wilson]

Some managers thought he was worth a punt unless it was all media /agent bullshit ��

I'm sure they did, his record when fit suggests he could be a good player at this level, but I don't see that as the issue here - the name of the player Neil Warnock recently said the Cardiff Board wouldn't sign after he'd recommended him escapes me at the moment, but maybe we could have got him if Warnock had not gambled on players with injury and fitness records like Vassell and Tomlin.

As you say, Vassell was a "punt" and, as such, Neil Warnock is hardly in a position to aim digs at City's Board after the way he was backed when signing the player.

[Cleve van Leef]

I'm sure they did, his record when fit suggests he could be a good player at this level, but I don't see that as the issue here - the name of the player Neil Warnock recently said the Cardiff Board wouldn't sign after he'd recommended him escapes me at the moment, but maybe we could have got him if Warnock had not gambled on players with injury and fitness records like Vassell and Tomlin.

As you say, Vassell was a "punt" and, as such, Neil Warnock is hardly in a position to aim digs at City's Board after the way he was backed when signing the player.

Ollie Watkins

[the other bob wilson]

Ollie Watkins

[The Lone Gunman]

I'm sure they did, his record when fit suggests he could be a good player at this level, but I don't see that as the issue here - the name of the player Neil Warnock recently said the Cardiff Board wouldn't sign after he'd recommended him escapes me at the moment, but maybe we could have got him if Warnock had not gambled on players with injury and fitness records like Vassell and Tomlin.

Ollie Watkins.

[City123]

I'm sure they did, his record when fit suggests he could be a good player at this level, but I don't see that as the issue here - the name of the player Neil Warnock recently said the Cardiff Board wouldn't sign after he'd recommended him escapes me at the moment, but maybe we could have got him if Warnock had not gambled on players with injury and fitness records like Vassell and Tomlin.

As you say, Vassell was a "punt" and, as such, Neil Warnock is hardly in a position to aim digs at City's Board after the way he was backed when signing the player.

It was Ollie Watkins, but that came across as another one of Warnock's little fibs to make himself look better than he is. He complained about not being backed enough to get him but spent over £7m on Gary Madine and Danny Ward that same season before another couple of million on Vassell, I doubt we were ever really interested in Watkins who would probably be in his second season at Weston had we signed him

[life on mars]

Er, haven't you placed yourself in the same category as these "know all" fans by speculating on Vassell being on a pay as you play deal when I'm not aware of anything to give that claim any legitimacy from either party?

Also, you talk of people criticising the player. Clearly, with an injury record like his, he is going to attract the occasional derogatory comment, but I've not seen or heard a great deal of criticism of him from City fans - if anything, I'd say there's been a degree of sympathy. That's certainly what I felt early earlier this year I believe it was in an under 23 match when I saw Vassell attempting a comeback - he lasted about twenty minutes and then broke down. It was so sad to see his frustration and hurt because he appeared to know that it was back to square one for him, you would have needed a heart of stone not to feel sorry for him at that moment.

Absolutely.

[delmbox]

The sense (or lack of it) of us signing him aside, you've got to feel for the guy. Imagine being talented enough to play professional football at a decent level but being unable to play more than a few games without being injured, must be incredibly frustrating and disheartening

[Rjk]

how many "pay as you play" contracts have existed ever, outside the imagination of football message board posters.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

how many "pay as you play" contracts have existed ever, outside the imagination of football message board posters.

According to JML1954, 1.

[The Bloop]

Given all the money 'wasted' on mis-firing or injured strikers by Cardiff managers over the years, I do wonder what Newcastle fans think whether the £40m spent on JoeLinton was good business. They must be a tolerant lot up there.