Are we at the stage where there's a major rebuild needed?

[Harry Paget Flashman]

We've needed a rebuild for years IMO.

The rebuild starts at what type of football you want to play and therefore what type of players you sign and develop through the youth ranks. This also fits in with the style of manager.

We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

The blame for that sits with the board.

[MOZZER2]

nail on the head harry flashman !

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Vinnie has been here over 10 years.

If he'd set his stall out to be X type of team with his investment we'd be a regular Premier League team - be that one that plays like Burnley or Barca.

They just can't work out what we are. I can - shit.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

We've needed a rebuild for years IMO.

The rebuild starts at what type of football you want to play and therefore what type of players you sign and develop through the youth ranks. This also fits in with the style of manager.

We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

The blame for that sits with the board.

Absolutely. We've applied plasters to all sorts of wounds without having any coherent plan.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Absolutely. We've applied plasters to all sorts of wounds without having any coherent plan.

I was talking to my son's coach tonight after training and both of us are old enough to remember City lurching around Div 3 & 4 and that where we are now kind of represents success so maybe we shouldn't grumble. My eldest son's only know the top two tiers and cup finals and therefore think our current position is shocking.

I'd just like to see a plan - don't care what league its in or whether it means going down and back up as I'll still support them

Just a vision and a plan.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I was talking to my son's coach tonight after training and both of us are old enough to remember City lurching around Div 3 & 4 and that where we are now kind of represents success so maybe we shouldn't grumble. My eldest son's only know the top two tiers and cup finals and therefore think our current position is shocking.

I'd just like to see a plan - don't care what league its in or whether it means going down and back up as I'll still support them

Just a vision and a plan.

Yes. We have neither. Just short termism. I feel sorry for Harris in some ways, but he's not the solution in a job that's probably not right for him, either.

[Rjk]

I was talking to my son's coach tonight after training and both of us are old enough to remember City lurching around Div 3 & 4 and that where we are now kind of represents success so maybe we shouldn't grumble. My eldest son's only know the top two tiers and cup finals and therefore think our current position is shocking.

I'd just like to see a plan - don't care what league its in or whether it means going down and back up as I'll still support them

Just a vision and a plan.

A vision and a plan needs to come from the board not the manager, preferably a director of football

Managers are not directors.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

A vision and a plan needs to come from the board not the manager, preferably a director of football

Managers are not directors.

Which is exactly what I said.

[Rjk]

Which is exactly what I said.

Then you were exactly right

[goats]

We've needed a rebuild for years IMO.

The rebuild starts at what type of football you want to play and therefore what type of players you sign and develop through the youth ranks. This also fits in with the style of manager.

We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

The blame for that sits with the board.

It does....summed up well by this....We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

[surge]

It does....summed up well by this....We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

We did lurch from one thing to the next, but there are those who call Harris a poundland Warnock who hasn't changed the playing style and there are those who bemoan our players now trying to pass out from the back which suggests we're no longer lurching and have some understanding of need to develop things.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

We did lurch from one thing to the next, but there are those who call Harris a poundland Warnock who hasn't changed the playing style and there are those who bemoan our players now trying to pass out from the back which suggests we're no longer lurching and have some understanding of need to develop things.

We certainly are trying to pass the ball a bit more but if that's the way we are going then surely the club should explain the strategy and say that through thick or thin this is the direction of travel.

I feel as though our managers are constantly a few losses from dismissal.

Maybe that's what this message-board does to you and it's not the sentiments of the board.

[AfricanBluebird]

We've needed a rebuild for years IMO.

The rebuild starts at what type of football you want to play and therefore what type of players you sign and develop through the youth ranks. This also fits in with the style of manager.

We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

The blame for that sits with the board.

Aye, that's succinctly put there Flashman.

You can see that a director of football would really be of value for city at this juncture. Someone who can oversee the footballing side of things across the age groups and coaching staff / approaches.

I think most city fans would be happy with a few years in the championship IF they are seeing progress on the footballing side of things.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Aye, that's succinctly put there Flashman.

You can see that a director of football would really be of value for city at this juncture. Someone who can oversee the footballing side of things across the age groups and coaching staff / approaches.

I think most city fans would be happy with a few years in the championship IF they are seeing progress on the footballing side of things.

Undoubtedly.

As it is, we've not had any progress, just short termism. It all goes back to 2012. When Malky was appointed, he was given 3 years to get the club into the Championship. Because we finished in the playoffs and got to the league cup final, the board decided to reduce that time to 2 years - the year we won the Championship the board was expecting promotion.

Ever since then it's been about the here and now. The foundations weren't built for a spell in the Premier League and we came back down. The quality in the side dwindled under Slade's austerity, then we had the short-lived "Cardiff Way" under Trollope, where he tried to get average players playing a Welsh style game.

Warnock added some pace and got the best out of a few players and won promotion, but that covered up the cracks. We were a poor footballing side in the PL that deservedly came back down and we started a new season back in the Championship with a squad low on confidence.

We rarely buy players for peanuts and sell for a profit. We never bring through our own players. We tend to buy and sell on at a loss. It's not sustainable as it is.

[Rjk]

Undoubtedly.

As it is, we've not had any progress, just short termism. It all goes back to 2012. When Malky was appointed, he was given 3 years to get the club into the Championship. Because we finished in the playoffs and got to the league cup final, the board decided to reduce that time to 2 years - the year we won the Championship the board was expecting promotion.

Ever since then it's been about the here and now. The foundations weren't built for a spell in the Premier League and we came back down. The quality in the side dwindled under Slade's austerity, then we had the short-lived "Cardiff Way" under Trollope, where he tried to get average players playing a Welsh style game.

Warnock added some pace and got the best out of a few players and won promotion, but that covered up the cracks. We were a poor footballing side in the PL that deservedly came back down and we started a new season back in the Championship with a squad low on confidence.

We rarely buy players for peanuts and sell for a profit. We never bring through our own players. We tend to buy and sell on at a loss. It's not sustainable as it is.

I think the difference is that 15 or 20 years ago, pretty much every team were haphazard with their appointments, but nowadays we are in a dwindling minority of clubs that don't plan for the longer term, so the effects of it seem more stark.

[bigjoe]

We lurch from one thing to the next with seemingly no strategy.

This was very apparent with MM, OGS and Slade. MM built on steady eddies. OGS bought in the "flair" players. When Slade came in, he would have been better off with the team before it had all been changed.

It's why Swansea was successful for a while (and finding a few strikers that could actually score).