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  1. #1

    Pubs

    No booze allowed.....that’s going to go down well

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    Any news on fans in grounds (Wales)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    Any news on fans in grounds (Wales)?
    No chance

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    Any news on fans in grounds (Wales)?
    Meeting today; but no chance. Especially as we seem to be following Scotland now for some reason - who don't appear to have any fans in grounds still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccfcwelshlad View Post
    Meeting today; but no chance. Especially as we seem to be following Scotland now for some reason - who don't appear to have any fans in grounds still.
    The reason is simple - Scotland isn't England.

  6. #6

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    From Friday onwards, pubs in Wales will have to shut by 6:00pm, but they're not allowed to sell alcohol before 6:00pm anyway.

    This will help to save Christmas, apparently.

    Wales - Mark Drakeford's personal nanny state.

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    It’s been coming so not surprised. I don’t see why restaurants can’t stay open later if not serving booze though. We as a family eat out quite a bit and it’s just the 4 of us shown to our table with pretty much no contact with other diners whatsoever.
    Oh well is what it is. Good luck to the fuzz trying to stop the anti covid me me me people having house parties. The virus will spread even more in those environments.

  8. #8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    It’s been coming so not surprised. I don’t see why restaurants can’t stay open later if not serving booze though. We as a family eat out quite a bit and it’s just the 4 of us shown to our table with pretty much no contact with other diners whatsoever.
    Oh well is what it is. Good luck to the fuzz trying to stop the anti covid me me me people having house parties. The virus will spread even more in those environments.
    You are right, it will spread even more now in those areas it was bad already....up the sticks, bleanau gwent or whatever. Been fine every time I’ve been to a pub, which isn’t many, but a good few metres gap. Feel sorry for them in some ways but they will no doubt be heavily compensated like they were in the summer. More grants becoming available now

  9. #9

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    Not a care in the world about peoples jobs , livelihood or the future of Wales ,appalling decision , you get what you vote for though .

  10. #10

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    Pubs shouldn't even be open. I can't understand why people are so up in arms about the government trying to put rules in place when it's ****ing obvious that left to their own devices, most people will do the stupidest thing possible.

    Have you seen the number of pictures on the internet of people gathered in public places where the photographer has captioned it "look at these idiots"? That's how selfish and stupid people are.

  11. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Pubs shouldn't even be open. I can't understand why people are so up in arms about the government trying to put rules in place when it's ****ing obvious that left to their own devices, most people will do the stupidest thing possible.
    In my experience, most people will not do the stupidest things possible. A percentage will for sure, but not most people. Of course, you're talking from the good old U S of A, so maybe that's the situation in Trumpland.

    People here are fed up with everyone being treated like stupid children because a small minority apparently can't behave themselves. People are fed up with restrictions that mean they are unable to socialise with family and friends in any way, shape or form. People are fed up with the rules changing every couple of weeks. People are fed up with the hopeless contradictions contained within the guidelines. People are fed up with seeing businesses spend large amounts of time, effort and money to make their premises as safe as possible, only for the government to close them down again anyway. Stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    In my experience, most people will not do the stupidest things possible. A percentage will for sure, but not most people. Of course, you're talking from the good old U S of A, so maybe that's the situation in Trumpland.

    People here are fed up with everyone being treated like stupid children because a small minority apparently can't behave themselves. People are fed up with restrictions that mean they are unable to socialise with family and friends in any way, shape or form. People are fed up with the rules changing every couple of weeks. People are fed up with the hopeless contradictions contained within the guidelines. People are fed up with seeing businesses spend large amounts of time, effort and money to make their premises as safe as possible, only for the government to close them down again anyway. Stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Pubs shouldn't even be open. I can't understand why people are so up in arms about the government trying to put rules in place when it's ****ing obvious that left to their own devices, most people will do the stupidest thing possible.

    Have you seen the number of pictures on the internet of people gathered in public places where the photographer has captioned it "look at these idiots"? That's how selfish and stupid people are.
    Its not pubs that the issue its the governance of Wales .

    in Cardiff on Friday the shops were rammed queues outside Primark etc no problem there , pub have had the best control systems we have seen NHS app / tracking and trace running .

    The trouble for someone like Drakeford he is unaffected and not of the working class , he thinks oooh pub , oooh boooze , oooh all pissed, which is a bloody nonsense , but an easy target so he can appear strong and mask the inefficiencies of his other failing policies around education ,homelessness , and pre -covid health service , pubs have the best systems operation I've seen , and I've been in a few during Covid , shops though , dreadful .

    What folk fail to grasp or care about this will hurt private owned businesses , young peoples jobs , at least 100k of folk in work , after the hit this year lots of these businesses were looking for the safety net of Xmas , he could have easily set out a rule where you can book in and out of a pub like a restaurant via a table slot , not allow entry unless via a NHS app scans , limit it to two hours, group four , those premises who broke the rules reported and closed immediately .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Its not pubs that the issue its the governance of Wales .

    in Cardiff on Friday the shops were rammed queues outside Primark etc no problem there , pub have had the best control systems we have seen NHS app / tracking and trace running .

    The trouble for someone like Drakeford he is unaffected and not of the working class , he thinks oooh pub , oooh boooze , oooh all pissed, which is a bloody nonsense , but an easy target so he can appear strong and mask the inefficiencies of his other failing policies around education ,homelessness , and pre -covid health service , pubs have the best systems operation I've seen , and I've been in a few during Covid , shops though , dreadful .

    What folk fail to grasp or care about this will hurt private owned businesses , young peoples jobs , at least 100k of folk in work , after the hit this year lots of these businesses were looking for the safety net of Xmas , he could have easily set out a rule where you can book in and out of a pub like a restaurant via a table slot , not allow entry unless via a NHS app scans , limit it to two hours, group four , those premises who broke the rules reported and closed immediately .
    There's not one bit of scientific evidence that links 'lockdowns' with reductions in Covid cases. What we have is politics, not science. Politicians from whatever Country or political party are afraid of one thing - blame. They reason - probably rightly - that being blamed for the complete ruination of economies for a decade is nothing compared with having 'blood on their hands' for ignoring their medical 'advisors'. Coupled with the fact that most of the key players in the current Govt. will step down once it appears they've 'beaten. the epidemic, you can see why politicians are carrying on along the same path without deviation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    There's not one bit of scientific evidence that links 'lockdowns' with reductions in Covid cases. What we have is politics, not science. Politicians from whatever Country or political party are afraid of one thing - blame. They reason - probably rightly - that being blamed for the complete ruination of economies for a decade is nothing compared with having 'blood on their hands' for ignoring their medical 'advisors'. Coupled with the fact that most of the key players in the current Govt. will step down once it appears they've 'beaten. the epidemic, you can see why politicians are carrying on along the same path without deviation..
    Are you serious?

  16. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Are you serious?
    I know....

  17. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    There's not one bit of scientific evidence that links 'lockdowns' with reductions in Covid cases.
    Depressing that after nearly a year, disinformation like this is still spreading. And disinformation is putting it nicely.

    Unfortunately it's only going to get worse when the vaccinea are released.

  18. #18

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    How is it the government's fault that socializing with family and friends is not safe? I'll admit that both your government and our outgoing administration has not done the best job. The situation is exacerbated here by the size of the country and the rights of states.

    It was obvious that there was going to be a second wave of Covid as soon as the weather changed. Scientists have been warning about it for months. A country as small and densely populated as the UK should be in lockdown. It wouldn't be the best thing for everyone on an individual basis, but it would be best for everyone as a whole. So the government tries to make concessions. Things go wrong. So they change the rules. People shouldn't be going into pubs. A place where strangers congregate and drink intoxicating beverages. But they want to. So the government had to make rules. Pubs were to be closed at 10pm and everyone lost their shit. "It's ridiculous". "What's the difference between 10pm and 12am?" I should imagine there's a pretty significant difference. And I should imagine there is data to back it up.

    Your faith in most people is admirable. But don't forget the Welsh government was elected by a majority. The UK government England a depressingly huge one. And don't forget Brexit.

    I don't live in Trumpland by the way. And pretty soon no one else will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Your faith in most people is admirable.
    I have very little faith in most people. Indeed, I have very little faith in our species, full stop. However, having been to a couple of pubs and restaurants on a small handful of occasions since this crap began, I can testify that a large majority of the people who were present were being as careful as possible, and the staff at the venues themselves had done pretty much everything asked of them in terms of social distancing measures.

    We had a two-week national lockdown here in Wales a short while ago. That was supposed to 'save Christmas' and give us a bit more freedom until the New Year at least. It hasn't.

    As for your claim that there is data to back up the decisions the governments are making, that has long since ceased to be the case. These muppets stopped 'following the science' months ago. And that's according to the scientists themselves.

  20. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I have very little faith in most people. Indeed, I have very little faith in our species, full stop. However, having been to a couple of pubs and restaurants on a small handful of occasions since this crap began, I can testify that a large majority of the people who were present were being as careful as possible, and the staff at the venues themselves had done pretty much everything asked of them in terms of social distancing measures.

    We had a two-week national lockdown here in Wales a short while ago. That was supposed to 'save Christmas' and give us a bit more freedom until the New Year at least. It hasn't.

    As for your claim that there is data to back up the decisions the governments are making, that has long since ceased to be the case. These muppets stopped 'following the science' months ago. And that's according to the scientists themselves.
    There has to be data or expert opinion based on facts. Whether they're correct or not is another thing altogether.

  21. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    There has to be data or expert opinion based on facts. Whether they're correct or not is another thing altogether.
    Drakeford himself has stated that the biggest problem by a distance in Wales is household transmission. The evidence that transmission is occurring at any significant rate in pubs and restaurants is thin to put it mildly - the paper the WAG used to justify their recent firebreak lockdown confirmed as much.

    You'll remember a couple of weeks ago that I was upset when the noble First Minister and his merry men deemed that the Welsh public couldn't be trusted to meet one another on a socially-distanced basis in each other's gardens. This meant I couldn't visit my terminally ill sister-in-law and, more importantly, most of her closest friends couldn't visit her either. It was, however, fine for people to meet up with others from up to four households in pubs and restaurants. The theory apparently was that the pubs and restaurants are such regulated environments at present that the risk of transmission in such settings was very slim. Nevertheless, here we are a couple of weeks further down the line and those places are shut again anyway.

    As you know, I went to my local for the first time in months on a midweek evening a couple of weeks ago. It was like a military operation - table booked in advance, full details of me and my mate logged, table service only, plastic screens up between tables, masks required when using the toilets, etc. To be honest, it wasn't much fun, but it was good to see my friend again and I felt confident that the chance of picking up the virus from anyone except him was absolute zero. I was supposed to be seeing Kate for the first time since February on Saturday, but Drakeford's put a stop to that. I know I'm biased as I cannot stand the man, but this latest measure seems totally over the top to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Drakeford himself has stated that the biggest problem by a distance in Wales is household transmission. The evidence that transmission is occurring at any significant rate in pubs and restaurants is thin to put it mildly - the paper the WAG used to justify their recent firebreak lockdown confirmed as much.

    You'll remember a couple of weeks ago that I was upset when the noble First Minister and his merry men deemed that the Welsh public couldn't be trusted to meet one another on a socially-distanced basis in each other's gardens. This meant I couldn't visit my terminally ill sister-in-law and, more importantly, most of her closest friends couldn't visit her either. It was, however, fine for people to meet up with others from up to four households in pubs and restaurants. The theory apparently was that the pubs and restaurants are such regulated environments at present that the risk of transmission in such settings was very slim. Nevertheless, here we are a couple of weeks further down the line and those places are shut again anyway.

    As you know, I went to my local for the first time in months on a midweek evening a couple of weeks ago. It was like a military operation - table booked in advance, full details of me and my mate logged, table service only, plastic screens up between tables, masks required when using the toilets, etc. To be honest, it wasn't much fun, but it was good to see my friend again and I felt confident that the chance of picking up the virus from anyone except him was absolute zero. I was supposed to be seeing Kate for the first time since February on Saturday, but Drakeford's put a stop to that. I know I'm biased as I cannot stand the man, but this latest measure seems totally over the top to me.
    Could well be over the top, i'm not disputing that, i've not read up on anything to be honest in order to sway my opinion. I would have thought (like delm alluded to) that the issue is much greater in the city centre bars, pubs, especially in the suburbs are essentially restaurants now, i'm sure that they can be regulated.

    I do have some sympathy with Drakeford though, even with that prick Boris, mistakes are going to be made, the info isn't always going to add up etc. Drakeford is certainly more cautious. I'd like to see what he's basing his decision making on before i have a concrete opinion. Most people have had a **** full, but i don't think that anecdotal evidence based on preference helps anyone. We have to trust the scientists and medical bods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I have very little faith in most people. Indeed, I have very little faith in our species, full stop. However, having been to a couple of pubs and restaurants on a small handful of occasions since this crap began, I can testify that a large majority of the people who were present were being as careful as possible, and the staff at the venues themselves had done pretty much everything asked of them in terms of social distancing measures.
    We've never met but thanks to years on this board I think I know your rough demographic so I'm going to take a punt and assume that the times you've been to the pub have been similar to mine, i.e not down St Mary's St at night on a weekend, where I think it's a very different story.

    It's incredibly unfair that local pubs are being punished when they're doing things properly though, a lot won't survive this latest round of rules

  24. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    We've never met but thanks to years on this board I think I know your rough demographic so I'm going to take a punt and assume that the times you've been to the pub have been similar to mine, i.e not down St Mary's St at night on a weekend, where I think it's a very different story.

    It's incredibly unfair that local pubs are being punished when they're doing things properly though, a lot won't survive this latest round of rules
    There are grants available, whether or not they're enough to cover staff and other costs isn't something i know. The other issue is bosses who are using this pandemic as an excuse to bail out, reduce staff (many of whom are on zero hour contracts and minimum wage) Because they're not making enough for the shareholders -see Toby carvery-Harvester-Like they have no responsibility towards their staff, and that twat who runs Wetherspoons, ****ing about with workers conditions etc, while taking taxpayers cash. I do feel for the independents, sole traders etc. I just hope that these grants can keep them afloat and that when this shit is over that there is a boom in hospitality so that they can claw back whatever is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    There are grants available, whether or not they're enough to cover staff and other costs isn't something i know. The other issue is bosses who are using this pandemic as an excuse to bail out, reduce staff (many of whom are on zero hour contracts and minimum wage) Because they're not making enough for the shareholders -see Toby carvery-Harvester-Like they have no responsibility towards their staff, and that twat who runs Wetherspoons, ****ing about with workers conditions etc, while taking taxpayers cash. I do feel for the independents, sole traders etc. I just hope that these grants can keep them afloat and that when this shit is over that there is a boom in hospitality so that they can claw back whatever is lost.
    It's not just about grants for owners, it is also about people who work all week and only get the weekend to pop to the pub and relax and have a few beers in a covid-controlled atmosphere. Instead people will give more profits to supermarkets and lash it up in each others houses and nothing will change.

    Hasn't anyone noticed that once again the closure isn't for 2 weeks but 17 days. That is deliberately measured to take in 3 weekends when most restaurants and pubs do their business. It doesn't affect any other businesses in the same way so the 3 weekend scam can only be targeting one part of the economy.

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