first country in world to approve Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for widespread use
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first country in world to approve Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for widespread use
Yes we should - Should also be very proud of the Oxford vaccine.
I know there was some doubt at the time when the government threw millions at this with no guarantee of even getting vaccine anywhere , was a gamble, but a good one.Originally Posted by Freitag 4.17
Yes we should be very proud, though I think most of us are as likely to get a vaccine anytime soon as we are to stroll into a shop, buy a ps5 and have a pint on the way home in the next six months
We don't know the answer as yet. Germany is taking a more cautious approach and demanding more data about the vaccine. Only time will tell....
Of course it's fantastic the way the government has backed the various vaccines and committed huge resources for their purchase. However, there will be no such praise on here from the majority of forum members.
But I fear it is only a matter of time before hindsight kicks in leading to criticisms about the amount of money spent on committing to the purchase of vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine which costs several times more than the yet to be approved Oxford vaccine.
It's a bit of a strange question.
I think your argument is that the UK government deserves some credit for pre-ordering speculative vaccines. I think that is right.
I am not sure about being proud that we are the first country to authorise its use. Why, because our regulatory authorities are the swiftest off the mark since Pfizer announced their trial results or because we feel the need to be first either because of the particular challenges around Covid that our country faces or because of other political pressures?
They had to take a punt on every vaccine that was being developed. What if they'd backed one, and it turned out to be crap? They had to put money into all of them.
There are 150 candidate vaccines in development around the World. The UK has pre ordered 7. I thought there would be some who would knock the achievement but expected people to get their facts right. Clearly I was wrong.
The question is about the approval thereof.
What happens if we start using the vaccine next week and then the europeans find issues with it?
I was replying to the quote where the poster indicated the government had backed every vaccine.
They spend millions on nuclear weapons and make money selling arms that the saudis use to butcher Yemeni people too
Should we be proud of that ?
You know the answer to that, so why are you trying to derail the thread?
Would a Labour Government employ people in the weapons and aeronautical industries and would the Unions would roll over if a future Labour Government decided to cease selling arms as they have done in the past? Of course not.
Yes!
The MHRA (UK) has acted on partial data to speed up the approval process and the EMA (EU) has chosen to await analysis of all available data in order to instill the greatest degree of public confidence in a mass vaccination campaign. Whether you think the approach the UK has chosen is the right one is up to you.
We should of course be very grateful to the vaccine developers at the German company BioNTech whose work, part-funded by the EU and further developed in conjunction with the US company Pfizer, has brought us to where we are today.
Clearly you didn't see the press conference by the MHRA when they explained how they assessed the vaccine and worked with the pharmaceutical companies at each stage of the process which explained why they were able to reach their conclusion so swiftly.
The EMA is likely to approve the vaccine before year end. I can't imagine that they will have access to any more data than MHRA had. After all we are talking about a few weeks delay compared to UK. The MHRA is a world renowned regulatory authority and until recently the EMA itself was based in London. It's now moved to Amsterdam because of Brexit.
There is no evidence that the EMA has chosen to await analysis of all data to instill public confidence. That's just your misinformed opinion.
Yes we should be grateful that the BioN Tech research was part funded by the EU, and I hope European citizens will be grateful that the Oxford vaccine is being part funded by UK government
Apparently the EMA will make time to "look" at the vaccine at the end of the month. Perhaps somebody should tell them there is a pandemic.
The FDA in USA is just as bad. They are going to consider approval of the Pfizer vaccine on 10 December. After all, what's a few more lives lost?
Pfizer has applied to the FDA for "emergency use authorization", and the hearing was granted for December 10th. The hearing for the Moderna vaccine is on the 17th. I'm not defending the government, but it's not like you get on Zoom and someone says "well' what do you lot reckon? Shall we do it?". Regulations are a pain in the ass, but they serve a purpose. And it's the law.
Just so we know that you are not spreading misinformation as with Hancock and Rees-Mogg, not to mention other Ministers like Sharma and Williamson, who all seem to be following an instruction to talk up Brexit, Can you let us know where you received your information that the EMA will "make time to look at the vaccine at the end of the month".
This is from the EMA website dated 1/12/20
EMA has received an application for conditional marketing authorisation (CMA) for BNT162b2, a COVID‑19 mRNA vaccine developed by BioNTech and Pfizer. The assessment of BNT162b2 will proceed under an accelerated timeline. An opinion on the marketing authorisation could be issued within weeks, depending on whether the data submitted are sufficiently robust and complete to show the quality, safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.
Such a short timeframe is only possible because EMA has already reviewed some data on the vaccine during a rolling review. During this phase, EMA assessed data on the vaccine’s quality (such as information about its ingredients and the way it is produced) as well as results from laboratory studies. EMA also looked at results on the vaccine’s effectiveness and initial safety data emerging from a large-scale clinical trial as they became available.
Your post seems to indicate a much more laid back approach.
Is this a benefit of Brexit, has it already been awarded the CE Mark?
No it isn't. We are still under European Law until 1st January and as the head of MHRA said earlier we were able to do this under European law. Other EU countries could have done the same had they wished. Unfortunately, Matt Hancock, who as Health Secretary knows full well that this is the case, decides to spread misinformation in the Commons today. The tweet from Rees-Mogg is in the same category.
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