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    UK emissions pledge

    "The Prime Minister has today (Friday 4 December) announced a new ambitious target to reduce the UK's emissions by at least 68% by 2030, compared to 1990 levels."
    If attainable probably because lots of heavy industry already been stopped/destroyed.
    Wonder what today's figures are like compared to 1990.

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    Think the UK is seen as one of the better drivers of emission reductions , which is a positive , the reduction in heavy industries has been declining for decades as we move to different solutions and materials that are lighter , cheaper , however there's always a downside such as a more throwaway society, and less jobs that once supported those heavy industries

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Question:—— How are all the people who live in terraced houses, (ie, no driveways), going to manage to park outside their house to charge their electric car ?
    How will parents get past all the electric leads on the pavements, with their pushchairs. ?

    Don’t think they’ve thought this through !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Question:—— How are all the people who live in terraced houses, (ie, no driveways), going to manage to park outside their house to charge their electric car ?
    How will parents get past all the electric leads on the pavements, with their pushchairs. ?

    Don’t think they’ve thought this through !!
    Charging points will be in the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityhammer View Post
    Charging points will be in the road.
    This, plate technology, a lot of emissions to dig up every urban road in the UK though!

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by cityhammer View Post
    Charging points will be in the road.



    In the words of that great tennis player “You cannot be serious”

    Talk about brainwashed

    Everyone getting home from work to “PLUG IN”

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityhammer View Post
    Charging points will be in the road.
    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post


    In the words of that great tennis player “You cannot be serious”

    Talk about brainwashed

    Everyone getting home from work to “PLUG IN”
    I wonder how many unscrupolous people will hack their neighbour's charge point

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post


    In the words of that great tennis player “You cannot be serious”

    Talk about brainwashed

    Everyone getting home from work to “PLUG IN”

    Talk about blinkered.

    What do you think the workplace will be in 2030? I can guarantee that it will not be site based for the majority of people. Most people will have to charge once every few weeks.

    Most people who live in Cardiff, work in Cardiff. Why do half of them even have cars anyway. The world will have moved on by 2030, although you probably will be stuck in 1985.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post


    In the words of that great tennis player “You cannot be serious”

    Talk about brainwashed

    Everyone getting home from work to “PLUG IN”
    No plugging in Tony, just parking over the top of a plate, induction charging like your phone or hob. I've seen the development samples working and they'll be in full production by 2027.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Question:—— How are all the people who live in terraced houses, (ie, no driveways), going to manage to park outside their house to charge their electric car ?
    How will parents get past all the electric leads on the pavements, with their pushchairs. ?

    Don’t think they’ve thought this through !!
    Do you really think that, on January 1st 2030 all cars will turn from needing petrol to needing electricity?

    On the parents getting past all the electric leads, it would make a refreshing change from having to get around all the cars parked on pavements.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Question:—— How are all the people who live in terraced houses, (ie, no driveways), going to manage to park outside their house to charge their electric car ?
    How will parents get past all the electric leads on the pavements, with their pushchairs. ?

    Don’t think they’ve thought this through !!
    Carrie has - she's read about it a magazine. As you say though it's completely impractical. Millions live in flats, terraces where parking isn't easy, people parking in your 'spot', 2 or more cars, not to mention the huge power surge in the evening. Plus currently electric cars produce enough CO2 to make then equivalent to having 40,000 miles on the clock already.
    But I'm doing my bit. I'm ripping out my lovely combi that warms our house and produces plenty of piping hot water and replacing it with an air source heat pump. It will cost Ł10,000. I will also need to either increase the size and number of radiators to 'huge' throughout the house or install underfloor heating - approx Ł7,000, because they don't heat the water to high enough temperature.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Carrie has - she's read about it a magazine. As you say though it's completely impractical. Millions live in flats, terraces where parking isn't easy, people parking in your 'spot', 2 or more cars, not to mention the huge power surge in the evening. Plus currently electric cars produce enough CO2 to make then equivalent to having 40,000 miles on the clock already.
    But I'm doing my bit. I'm ripping out my lovely combi that warms our house and produces plenty of piping hot water and replacing it with an air source heat pump. It will cost Ł10,000. I will also need to either increase the size and number of radiators to 'huge' throughout the house or install underfloor heating - approx Ł7,000, because they don't heat the water to high enough temperature.
    But have you ditched "your electric TOOTHBRUSH" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    But have you ditched "your electric TOOTHBRUSH" ?
    Yes. It's a wooden, wind-up one, made of recycled wood. As my arm goes up and down in the brushing action it's connected to a spring which pumps water from a deep well in my garden.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Question:—— How are all the people who live in terraced houses, (ie, no driveways), going to manage to park outside their house to charge their electric car ?
    How will parents get past all the electric leads on the pavements, with their pushchairs. ?

    Don’t think they’ve thought this through !!
    Apparently the proposal is to put charging points in street lamposts. Not ideal if you can't find an available lampost but better than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Apparently the proposal is to put charging points in street lamposts. Not ideal if you can't find an available lampost but better than nothing.
    There's lots of lamposts converted into charging points in London.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Apparently the proposal is to put charging points in street lamposts. Not ideal if you can't find an available lampost but better than nothing.
    e yellow lines outside your house.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    e yellow lines outside your house.
    That's an issue that will have to be addressed especially in cities and London in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    e yellow lines outside your house.
    I bloody edited that. It was meant to say, "Unless, like me, you have double yellow lines outside your house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez View Post
    Talk about blinkered.

    What do you think the workplace will be in 2030? I can guarantee that it will not be site based for the majority of people. Most people will have to charge once every few weeks.

    Most people who live in Cardiff, work in Cardiff. Why do half of them even have cars anyway. The world will have moved on by 2030, although you probably will be stuck in 1985.
    Lycra clad cyclist alert!!!

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    They have cars because the council provision of anything even near adequate public transport is totally abysmal
    Yes, mainly as a result of privatisation and council funding cuts.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Yes, mainly as a result of privatisation and council funding cuts.
    Of course, it could never be the council's fault could it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Of course, it could never be the council's fault could it?
    I haven't said that, but council blame is very low down in the list.

    Privatisation has seen operators look to profit more on the strongest routes and pull out of less than profitable routes. The notion that it would generate competition is bullshit; operators tend to avoid competition as it affects profits and costs money. Indeed, operators have come to "unofficial" agreements in some areas to avoid stepping on each other's toes. Buses, as an example, are starting to suffer the same way as the railways did after Beeching, where cutting less profitable routes, less used routes have an effect on numbers overall. Bus passengers are in decline.

    London is an example of a great place for public transport. It is fully integrated, so you're not penalised if you need to use different modes of public transport. Buses are run by several operators but under one banner. Some areas have 24 hours of public transport as it is needed.

    Cardiff council have not been particularly great for buses, not so much with Cardiff Bus, but with other operators as well. A lack of bus station hasn't helped, it's one of the worst places to get a bus of all cities I've been to. I'm hopeful that the new Metro will improve the situation - South Wales has such a fragmented public transport set up it's not friendly for passengers, so a body to integrate and oversee everything thing has to be welcomed, providing it is funded well enough. London has one of the most subsidied public transport networks anywhere and it shows.

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I haven't said that, but council blame is very low down in the list.

    Privatisation has seen operators look to profit more on the strongest routes and pull out of less than profitable routes. The notion that it would generate competition is bullshit; operators tend to avoid competition as it affects profits and costs money. Indeed, operators have come to "unofficial" agreements in some areas to avoid stepping on each other's toes. Buses, as an example, are starting to suffer the same way as the railways did after Beeching, where cutting less profitable routes, less used routes have an effect on numbers overall. Bus passengers are in decline.

    London is an example of a great place for public transport. It is fully integrated, so you're not penalised if you need to use different modes of public transport. Buses are run by several operators but under one banner. Some areas have 24 hours of public transport as it is needed.

    Cardiff council have not been particularly great for buses, not so much with Cardiff Bus, but with other operators as well. A lack of bus station hasn't helped, it's one of the worst places to get a bus of all cities I've been to. I'm hopeful that the new Metro will improve the situation - South Wales has such a fragmented public transport set up it's not friendly for passengers, so a body to integrate and oversee everything thing has to be welcomed, providing it is funded well enough. London has one of the most subsidied public transport networks anywhere and it shows.
    Not much argument with that. Cardiff bus is run by the Council, and in lockdown they asked people not to use the bus unless they had to and then complained that they were having to lay drivers off and reduce services because they weren't being used enough.
    As for the Metro, it will probably be a vast improvement but I'm not confident of seeing it in my lifetime!!

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    Re: UK emissions pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by bigjoe View Post
    "The Prime Minister has today (Friday 4 December) announced a new ambitious target to reduce the UK's emissions by at least 68% by 2030, compared to 1990 levels."
    If attainable probably because lots of heavy industry already been stopped/destroyed.
    Wonder what today's figures are like compared to 1990.
    Emissions are already down by 45% on 1990 levels

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis...he-past-decade

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    Off now to have toast (done on a toasting fork in front of a fire) and marmalade (home made), enjoyed this little bit of escapism

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