See Boris strutted is stuff with Ursula and brought us back a deal today, which many said was impossible.
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See Boris strutted is stuff with Ursula and brought us back a deal today, which many said was impossible.
who said it was impossible?
"A deal". Not "a good deal". After 4 and half years. Nice work Boris.Originally Posted by Whisperer
It was never gonna be a perfect deal but a deals a deal.🙃
That'll piss off some of the 52% who didn't want a deal, despite never being sold no deal at the time of the referendum.
Sadly, there was never going to be a deal that meant the UK would be economically better off outside the EU. There was never going to be a deal that meant the UK would be economically better off outside the customs union and single market.
But we have a deal. A deal that is worth almost piss all. It's fractionally better for the UK than no deal, but significantly worse than a deal that would have kept us closer to Europe.
I notice a video is being shared around of Jim Davidson saying how we don't need a deal, that things are shit enough that they can't get shitter. I find it scary that people value the opinion of a racist, drunken, failed far-right comedian over professors and doctors of economics, trade etc. Shows how far down the shitter the country has slid.
As most informed people have been saying since day 1 he had no choice but to agree a deal. And as most informed people have been saying since day 1 it no doubt involves many messy compromises that leave absolutely no one better off. So, yeah, well done Boris.
Let's see how good a deal this is when we get to see the details.
All I've picked up so far is that -
the professional qualifications of Barristers (or did he say Baristas?) are still recognised across the EU, but others aren't.
Students aren't free to study in the EU anymore
British police wont have open access to European police databases and vice versa, so the sharing of intelligence wont be as straightforward as before
What the oven ready deal
He's gotten a deal. Everyone thought he could get 'a' deal - Teresa May was close to a deal. The question is if he got a good deal. Which remains to be seen.
Both sides wanted a deal that would allow them to walk away saying they had secured the things important to them even if that was to be heavily compromised. We now get to wait for the details to see where the compromises have come and what it means for us, but if you're a business trying to implement any changes needed you've now got just 3 working days to manage it all and it seems the EU is much further ahead in its preparation.
Boris' role now is to convince people any fallout is responsibility of covid rather than Brexit before then falling on his sword and allowing the next contender to say any negative outcome was Boris rather than the party. It's highly likely both that anyone with enough time on their hand will be able to see through that and that group will be a minority.
As I remember, the deal that Boris rejected, and has now signed up to, is not as good as the one May originally negociated. But hey, it's now a triumph for Boris isn't it?
But let's not all call him Boris. Boris implies that he is one of your mates, someone you'd go out with a drink with and a curry afterwards. This is Boris Johnson, a ducker and diver and all round lazy bastard who can't even be bothered to master the briefs he is given. Or to keep his briefs up either.
It's been said that you get the govenment you deserve. Well if you feel you deserve this one, then I'm sorry for you.
On a lighter note - Bluebirds <0> ^0^ <0>
Boris Johnson had little, if anything of significance, to do with the Brexit deal. He clearly doesnt understand that which has been negotiated. "The biggest imposition of red tape in 50 years" Wales, Scotland and Northetn Ireland will see little, if any, of the control which has been taken back.
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About 48% of the population - wanting to extend extend and extend again.
Just making stuff up now
Unless you live/work in Gibraltar.
There will be a lot of disappointed people on here.
some people on here make me smile.
so many complaining that he wanted a 'no deal' situation and now he has a deal they're still not satisfied, slagging it off before anyone even knows the details.
Mind even Kier Stammer did, calling it a thin deal an hour after it was announced when no one had even read it. All these people so clever perhaps they should have been the negotiators.
But despite someone on here saying it took 41/2 years to get a bad deal, as stated he can't know that because he doesn't know what the deal is and it didn't take 4 1/2 years it took 11 months. It's the biggest free trade deal ever negotiated (c£660 Billion). The deal with Canada took 5 years of constant negotiations and that's about average.
But I think what it really is is the people who think we shouldn't have left in the first place and cannot accept that they lost. It might be a bad deal but at least lets know the details before you slag it off, which you will anyway because Boris did it.
You've all lost. Especially if you live in Wales.
I haven't lost anything.
You been up the valley's in the last 30 years?
So how is Brexit and a right wing government going to improve the valleys?
Well a left wing government hasn't done that much for them in the last 20 odd years work-wise.
Wales will get less from central government than it was getting before and it doesn’t matter a toss how much the fkrs down the Bay complain how unfair it all is.
you think. You cannot possibly know this because it hasn't happened yet.
The details that matter are known, though. That you think anything of significance was going to come out of the negotiations this week belies your failure to grasp what was at stake here. No passporting; no protection of the service industry; and a nightmare for anyone who moves stuff across the border. And that was always going to be the case under this type of exit. Everything else - Erasmus; fishing rights etc - just gets lost in the rounding. At a national level, it does not matter. We've gifted financial services to the EU and got nothing back. Tariff free is all well and good but the ones who will be smiling most live in Southern Germany.
"Maybe they should have been the negotiators". You cannot negotiate anything from that position: you vote for a losing outcome and then fight as hard as you can to mitigate the disaster. That is it. They are not saying that they could do a better job: they are saying that the job was a hospital pass from the off.
It was always, always going to be a car crash. European leaders have every political motivation to force Brexit to be a failure, and that is what they have done and what they were always going to do. Macron was up against Le Pen in 2017 and will be again in 2022. He will want to ridicule the notion of leaving the EU: he cannot afford for Brexit to be anything other than an abject failure. He needs the UK to be worse off for his own political needs (and to minimise the chances of his own country following suit, in line with his own beliefs). Most of them won't want to see their own countries going through this sort of turmoil and the best way to achieve that is to make an example of the UK and punish it for leaving. It's that simple, it always has been. The same is obviously true of the EU institutions.
It shouldn't be that way, and if everyone was trying to work out what the best answer for both economies then we wouldn't end up here, but it was never going to be driven by that - it was always going to be far more political.
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