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Thread: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbert View Post
    I think the confidence of the Welsh public in Drakeford’s ability to roll out the vaccine is dwindling by the minute.

    “We won’t get another delivery of the Pfizer vaccine until the very end of January or maybe the beginning of February, so that 250,000 doses of vaccine has got to last us six weeks”.

    What on earth is he saying here? If you’ve got a quarter of a million doses of vaccine then what you do is stick them in the arms of high risk Welsh people as soon as humanly possible 24/7 and if you’ve used them all up in a few days then that is a very good thing!
    Woah, hang on. You have to remember that there were people vaccinated on December 8th who had their second doses cancelled. These people will need a second vaccine within a few weeks and the Welsh Government has decided not to play the lottery by mixing vaccines. So, this has to be managed. It's all well and good to say "give 250,000 doses as quick as possible", but in 12 weeks time have people whose immunity has expired because they have not had a second dose because of shortages.

  2. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    If that is the reason, it would have been good if he’d said so because, as it is stands, it’s hard to see any sense in the decision.

    I’ve lost track of the vaccines figure lately, but I think it might be around 15,000.
    The reporter on Wales Today pointed out that we need to average about 19,000 a day from here to meet the February target. Drakeford needs to get all of the centres, GPs and mobile units 100% operational pretty quick.
    Next weeks a massive week for him.

  3. #43

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    He couldn't inspire an alcoholic to drink a glass of whiskey, and he'd probably have to have another bloody meeting to do that
    It's a very true old saying but when all is said and done, there's a lot more said than done
    That sums up this bloody idiot

  4. #44

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    If you are over 90 you might well have got the jab today in cardiff....

  5. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez View Post
    Woah, hang on. You have to remember that there were people vaccinated on December 8th who had their second doses cancelled. These people will need a second vaccine within a few weeks and the Welsh Government has decided not to play the lottery by mixing vaccines. So, this has to be managed. It's all well and good to say "give 250,000 doses as quick as possible", but in 12 weeks time have people whose immunity has expired because they have not had a second dose because of shortages.
    No-ones immunity will have expired in 12 weeks.

    The next delivery of Pfizer vaccine is due in late January or early February.

    There are only a tiny number of people who received vaccination in the 1st half of December and they won’t be due their second vaccination until potentially the 1st half of March.

    Meanwhile somewhere in Wales 250,000 doses of vaccine sit on a shelf.

  6. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    The reporter on Wales Today pointed out that we need to average about 19,000 a day from here to meet the February target. Drakeford needs to get all of the centres, GPs and mobile units 100% operational pretty quick.
    Next weeks a massive week for him.
    We're up to about 11,000 a day already and I imagine that will only increase as more centres are opened

  7. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by olderblue View Post
    He couldn't inspire an alcoholic to drink a glass of whiskey, and he'd probably have to have another bloody meeting to do that
    It's a very true old saying but when all is said and done, there's a lot more said than done
    That sums up this bloody idiot
    I for one as a non labour voter thinks he's performed well throughout the crisis.

  8. #48

    Re: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbert View Post
    No-ones immunity will have expired in 12 weeks.

    The next delivery of Pfizer vaccine is due in late January or early February.

    There are only a tiny number of people who received vaccination in the 1st half of December and they won’t be due their second vaccination until potentially the 1st half of March.

    Meanwhile somewhere in Wales 250,000 doses of vaccine sit on a shelf.
    They have made a decision to use the Oxford vaccine in GP surgeries etc whilst using the Pfizer jab at mass vaccination centres. Seems there aren't enough of these to use up the Pfizer vaccine so unbelievably it sits on the shelf. People who have already had a jab will in reality be in the queue for a second from around Mid Feb ( around 10 weeks as they can't leave it all to the last minute). So from then on an increasing volume of patients will be repeats, around 10,000 a week.

    They have missed the opportunity to get as many vaccinated as soon as possible which was the logic in delaying the second dose.

    As for immunity at 12 weeks, who knows? Pfizer have said that they cannot be responsible for the efficacy of their vaccine unless a repeat is given three weeks after the first dose.

    As far as pharmacies are concerned, unless they can do a significant number of injections a day forget them. These vaccines have a 6 hour life once a dose has been taken from a vial, and the Oxford jab has 10 doses per vial and comes as a 10 vial box. The press compares it to the flu campaigns but it is nothing like the flu vaccine which comes as a ready to use single dose syringe, and they can do a couple a day.

  9. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbert View Post
    No-ones immunity will have expired in 12 weeks.

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    Apologies, I didn't realise there were clinical trials that showed that. What is the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine after 12 weeks? And the Oxford one?

  10. #50

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    Lots of speculation in the last few posts, but, with vaccines running behind schedule for the mid February target and now the WAG announcing it’s slowing down delivery of the Pfizer jab, the people of Wales deserve better than yesterday’s non explanation from the First Minister - maYbe I’m missing something, but what was said by Drakeford appears to run contrary to what we’ve been told previously.

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    Re: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...909?inApp=true

    Every UK adult could be vaccinated by mid-July - if these figures are anything to go by


    For ordinary citizens with all the lack of clarity about which story if any is the correct one it’s no wonder people are losing faith in the pronouncements of the politicians

  12. #52

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    Mid July 2022 in Wales if we’re lucky!

  13. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman View Post
    I for one as a non labour voter thinks he's performed well throughout the crisis.
    Now I know where the saying "There's always one" comes from

  14. #54

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    Its a pity Wales didn't have some time to plan and prepare for this moment .

    All this work on the vaccine just appeared from nowhere.

  15. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbert View Post
    I think the confidence of the Welsh public in Drakeford’s ability to roll out the vaccine is dwindling by the minute.

    “We won’t get another delivery of the Pfizer vaccine until the very end of January or maybe the beginning of February, so that 250,000 doses of vaccine has got to last us six weeks”.

    What on earth is he saying here? If you’ve got a quarter of a million doses of vaccine then what you do is stick them in the arms of high risk Welsh people as soon as humanly possible 24/7 and if you’ve used them all up in a few days then that is a very good thing!
    Folk have conveniently forgot Wales poor NHS before all this and then chuck in transport and education performance it suggests were okay putting up with it as long as we have a particular political party in power , no opposition , no challenges to under performance is unhealthy , same in Scotland , no one talks about their methadone and drug problems which are appalling.

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    Re: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

    In all fairness although I have looked I cannot find any direct reference to Drakeford actually saying this., other than the twitter comment on here by a third person attached to a still of him in a briefing.

    Can anyone actually find the clip of him if it was said on air or give a link to the the written statment?
    Or is it deliberate fake news?

  17. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    In all fairness although I have looked I cannot find any direct reference to Drakeford actually saying this., other than the twitter comment on here by a third person attached to a still of him in a briefing.

    Can anyone actually find the clip of him if it was said on air or give a link to the the written statment?
    Or is it deliberate fake news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Thanks, wouldn't like to try to beat anyone without a stick!!

  19. #59

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55684894

    GPs in north Wales are being advised to consider delaying Covid-19 vaccine appointments early next week due to a hold-up affecting about 26,000 doses.

  20. #60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez View Post
    Apologies, I didn't realise there were clinical trials that showed that. What is the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine after 12 weeks? And the Oxford one?
    The Joint Committee on Vaccinations and Immunisations (JCVI) believe both vaccines are likely to offer good enough protection with a 12 week interval between doses.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...rt-term-impact

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