Great to see the UK leading

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

There are a lot of decent women in the Labour Party that would make good leaders - Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves and Yvette Cooper to name three. There must have been better candidates than Starmer. I'm surprised you want the Liberals anywhere near the Labour Party given their coalition with the Tories but perhaps you are moving to the right.

No but I realise that this country will never elect a socialist government so I have to try and get as close to that as I can . I would never vote Liberal unless they were the only alternative to the tories . I think the Labour Party is done . Rachel Reeves would make a great leader of a left of centre opposition .

[City123]

No but I realise that this country will never elect a socialist government so I have to try and get as close to that as I can . I would never vote Liberal unless they were the only alternative to the tories . I think the Labour Party is done . Rachel Reeves would make a great leader of a left of centre opposition .

Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change

[Vindec]

Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change

Labour are not finished, nor will be, in Wales. The Party can make a mess of many things but will still be elected. Even nationally Labour will have a chance in 4 years time as the Tories will lose popularity as a result of COVID unless they get the vaccination programme right.

The 2008 financial crisis ruined Labour even though in hindsight they handled the crisis reasonably well. COVID may well turn out to be the Tories equivalent.

[City123]

Labour are not finished, nor will be, in Wales. The Party can make a mess of many things but will still be elected. Even nationally Labour will have a chance in 4 years time as the Tories will lose popularity as a result of COVID unless they get the vaccination programme right.

The 2008 financial crisis ruined Labour even though in hindsight they handled the crisis reasonably well. COVID may well turn out to be the Tories equivalent.

I just don't think it will, the Tories are still at 40% in spite of the constant feck ups, the boundaries have been redrawn cutting Wales' seats by 8 and would see the Tories gain 10 with Labour losing 9. The Conservative vote in the south of England & outside the cities is so strong its highly unlikely Labour will make any inroads. Labour's only realistic route into power is in coalition with the SNP which they know will trigger another referendum and likely secession. The Conservatives are backed by most of our media, any ideas that are even broadly left of centre are ridiculed and deemed as the "loony left", whilst scandals are just allowed to happen without any repercussions for the ruling party.

Added to this is that the Conservatives are an election winning machine. In all likelihood Johnson won't last until the next election when someone relatively "clean" comes in after being hyped up by the press and Starmer will be painted as a far left, authoritarian anti democracy judge part of a metropolitan London elite. I just can't see a Labour government in the near future

[Tuerto]

Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change

Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.