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Thread: Great to see the UK leading

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    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Labour are not finished, nor will be, in Wales. The Party can make a mess of many things but will still be elected. Even nationally Labour will have a chance in 4 years time as the Tories will lose popularity as a result of COVID unless they get the vaccination programme right.

    The 2008 financial crisis ruined Labour even though in hindsight they handled the crisis reasonably well. COVID may well turn out to be the Tories equivalent.
    I just don't think it will, the Tories are still at 40% in spite of the constant feck ups, the boundaries have been redrawn cutting Wales' seats by 8 and would see the Tories gain 10 with Labour losing 9. The Conservative vote in the south of England & outside the cities is so strong its highly unlikely Labour will make any inroads. Labour's only realistic route into power is in coalition with the SNP which they know will trigger another referendum and likely secession. The Conservatives are backed by most of our media, any ideas that are even broadly left of centre are ridiculed and deemed as the "loony left", whilst scandals are just allowed to happen without any repercussions for the ruling party.

    Added to this is that the Conservatives are an election winning machine. In all likelihood Johnson won't last until the next election when someone relatively "clean" comes in after being hyped up by the press and Starmer will be painted as a far left, authoritarian anti democracy judge part of a metropolitan London elite. I just can't see a Labour government in the near future

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    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    I dont think that's happened very often. It's certainly going to be a hell of a lot harder for Labour to win with the new 600 seats.
    I beleive the have cancelled or at least posponed the reduction to 600, for the next election anyway. But the boundary commission will reducve labours chances of winning an election.

  3. #23

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    don't like starmer at all
    Probably too far to the right of Stalin for your tastes ?

  4. #24

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    Another thread hijacked by the lefties to do a bit of Tory bashing. I thought that this was a football supporters forum and for the avoidance of doubt, anyone doesn't have to be a raving left wing socialist to follow City or enjoy football but anyone who remotely indicates they might not be of that persuasion is continually attacked.

  5. #25

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change
    Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.

  6. #26

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
    A socialist government which I want is never going to get elected in this country so we need to flush the labour and Liberal parties down the bogs and form a new centre left democratic alliance to keep the tories out

  7. #27

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
    he's right in that labour are finished , its 2021 more people vote against the tories than vote for them , we have to unite

  8. #28

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Another thread hijacked by the lefties to do a bit of Tory bashing. I thought that this was a football supporters forum and for the avoidance of doubt, anyone doesn't have to be a raving left wing socialist to follow City or enjoy football but anyone who remotely indicates they might not be of that persuasion is continually attacked.
    its always good to see a tory getting a kicking

  9. #29

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    he's right in that labour are finished , its 2021 more people vote against the tories than vote for them , we have to unite
    That's right but that's not the statistic that counts. More people voted Tory than Labour. The only way to change that is to change the voting system along the lines of the BREXIT referendum but even then the Tories would be the most likely Party to win. However, Labour supporters shouldn't give up on Labour just yet as the political landscape may well change in 4 years time especially if Johnson remains in post.

  10. #30

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    It is equally baffling why the Tories voted Johnson as Leader, why the Labour Party voted for Corbyn (and now Starmer) and in the USA why the public voted for Trump. There is something odd going on in political parties as to why they vote for such unsuitable leaders.

    As for the voting system I think if you look back in history more people voted for the Tories than Labour even when Labour won elections. It's the system.
    Just scrolled through Wikipedia to see if it's true, and it was the case in Feb 74 and 1929, but not for any others.

    In 1951 labour got more of the vote but the Tories won.

  11. #31

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Just scrolled through Wikipedia to see if it's true, and it was the case in Feb 74 and 1929, but not for any others.

    In 1951 labour got more of the vote but the Tories won.
    You omitted 2005.

  12. #32

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    I'm still baffled why he was elected as leader. Commentators put the election loss down to Corbyn (obviously) and Labour's BREXIT policy yet the Party elected the man responsible for that policy. Doh!!!!
    I think a big part is that he looks a bit like somebody who might be prime minister and has actually had a proper job, they made a lot of his career and fights for justice during the leadership election and will do so again once covid-19 subsides (crossing those fingers) and we approach the next election.

  13. #33

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    That's right but that's not the statistic that counts. More people voted Tory than Labour. The only way to change that is to change the voting system along the lines of the BREXIT referendum but even then the Tories would be the most likely Party to win. However, Labour supporters shouldn't give up on Labour just yet as the political landscape may well change in 4 years time especially if Johnson remains in post.
    I'd like to see a non-tory coalition next election and a vote for some kind of electoral change, I don't think a Labour majority would lead to that. Sludge is right, Brexit aside, 2019 was the first election where I think the majority of people voting against something rather than for it, FPTP is responsible. I voted against electoral change the last time we were asked and regret it. People argue that under a different system you wouldn't have elected local representation but I would challenge that they don't really do much for the people that put them there, majority of MPs far more attached to HQ than their local communities now.

  14. #34

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    As somebody who is still young'ish and therefore not particularly worried about the virus severely impacting me personally, I am pleased to see the rollout going well so that we can move forward.

    Not convinced that LOM and others pitting Wales against England is a particularly successful tactic (unless you aren't aware of what has gone on in the south east and london over the past 6-8 weeks). For the first time during the pandemic, my parents who live just north of London are petrified tbh. Happy to concede that the variant has had an effect but when you saw the crowds who were traipsing into London every day to do their Christmas shopping in packed streets and shops with the full backing of number 10, I would suggest that the impact of the variant is being overplayed to cover up for absolutely terrible decision making during that period.

  15. #35

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    You omitted 2005.
    Probably because Labour had just short of a million votes more than the Conservatives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_U...neral_election

  16. #36

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    don't like starmer at all
    Good hair though ( Lego Hair )

    I'm waiting on a policy decision or alternative Covid plan, seeing Boris is such a disgrace .

  17. #37

    Re: Great to see the UK leading

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
    I hear the middle class are moving to Labour and the working class see the Tories as more in tune with their needs , which might explain the last election result .

    The trouble for Labour is their Londoncentric inner City appearance , and I don't think Sir Kier moves that on .

    Scotland is a huge issue for Labour if they need a coalition to beat the Tories and the SNP would want a referendum on independence as thats the only ribal policy they have , they sell on that and thier done .

    Liberals might link up with Labour if they cull all the ex Corbynistas and move to a Blarite format.

    Labour really did mess Scotland and the North up.

    At least Wales will remain a socialist haven and utopia, as it has for the last 20 years ,yep we're in safe hands .

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