I think Harris Is Acting With Dignity In A Very Difficult Situation

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Horseshit. He's under no more pressure than any manager of what should be a playoff seeking side should be in our position.

If Harris is responsible for getting us to the playoffs last season, he's responsible for the shit show currently on offer, and it's not good.

What do I expect from the team? Firstly, I expect them to be competitive. We're not and have not been for most of the season. We have a lethargy about us. Ex players are saying the coaching is wrong, there's no motivation. Whose fault is that?

Next, I don't expect us to be fighting for promotion season after season. There are times when a team will be in transition and will struggle. Then I'd hope to see some positives, whether it be a new way of playing, or youngsters being given a go, something that makes me think the transition period will make us stronger in the seasons to come. Say, like when Toshack had the Welsh job and he got rid of Hughes's long ball game and played the youngsters. Some of the football was dire but there was a definite plan and subsequent Welsh managers benefitted from it.

Here I don't know what the plan is. My hope was a move away from Warnockball and towards a side that could pass the ball from time to time. Those things looked as if they might be happening at times last season, but this season has been mainly about hoof it up to Moore and win set pieces. That's not progression. Unfortunately those tactics don't help some of our creative players in the team.

You cannot ignore 6 defeats on the bounce. Even in some of our darkest days this was a rare occurrence. One more equals the club record. Whenever the side has had bad runs in the past, there's been a plucky draw somewhere, or a win from nowhere. Instead we don't look like getting anything.

You don't go from 5th to 15th and on such a horrible run of form without something being badly wrong. I keep hearing how this is a better squad than the one that got to the playoffs. I was hopeful of a good season, but we've had shit football served up by a bunch of half-arsed players who keep going behind in games and who only put some effort in to rescue things. There's no evolution in playing style. We look clueless and it seems to be getting worse.

Is Harris the man to turn this around? Game by game the answer to this looks less and less positive. If he isn't then he needs to go. You don't keep a manager out of loyalty or because there's no point changing manager all the time.

There are no shoulds in football

Like any other football club things sometimes get difficult and the team hits bad patches

I think the diatribes against Harris are part of what is wrong with the modern game , players and managers used to be given time , now the boot is stuck in

In terms of his inevitable replacement its pin a tail on the donkey time as there doesn't seem to be anyone out there

I wish whoever it is the very best of luck and hope he turns things round quickly or some will soon be calling for his head

[surge]

As I said before, some of the criticism has been unfair and really shown us up as fans/local media, and I think Blake was bang on when he highlighted Dalman's top 6 comment as being really unhelpful. The first team is definitely better than last year but the squad has less depth (cost cutting) and we don't really know if it's better because so many players are untested at this level - anyone telling you the squad is top 6 has been lying to you and has heaped unrealistic expectations on this season. This in a season where, again, teams with the most depth of talent will have an advantage due to amount of football being played across a short period of time.

Harris has tried to bring through young players, he did try a more progressive system earlier in the season but was it 14 games in before we had threads on here asking when he should go? There was a distinct lack of interest in youth, change of style when the results and performances weren't as good as expected. However, we should be about 9th of 10th and we're some way off that now with no sign of anything other than more struggles going forward.

I don't disagree with anything you (Sludge) say in the OP, but a good man struggling in a bad situation will eventually need to be replaced or else everyone walks away a loser. Trouble is that if we send him packing now we've got really slim pickings for the next manager so will probably be looking for a caretaker to finish the season.

[J R Hartley]

As I said before, some of the criticism has been unfair and really shown us up as fans/local media, and I think Blake was bang on when he highlighted Dalman's top 6 comment as being really unhelpful. The first team is definitely better than last year but the squad has less depth (cost cutting) and we don't really know if it's better because so many players are untested at this level - anyone telling you the squad is top 6 has been lying to you and has heaped unrealistic expectations on this season. This in a season where, again, teams with the most depth of talent will have an advantage due to amount of football being played across a short period of time.

Harris has tried to bring through young players, he did try a more progressive system earlier in the season but was it 14 games in before we had threads on here asking when he should go? There was a distinct lack of interest in youth, change of style when the results and performances weren't as good as expected. However, we should be about 9th of 10th and we're some way off that now with no sign of anything other than more struggles going forward.

I don't disagree with anything you (Sludge) say in the OP, but a good man struggling in a bad situation will eventually need to be replaced or else everyone walks away a loser. Trouble is that if we send him packing now we've got really slim pickings for the next manager so will probably be looking for a caretaker to finish the season.

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

[Tuerto]

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

Some fans most certainly want instant success, but most in my opinion would be patient enough to wait, as long as they could see progress and changes within the club.

[J R Hartley]

Some fans most certainly want instant success, but most in my opinion would be patient enough to wait, as long as they could see progress and changes within the club.

Bollocks

[Jimmy the Jock]

Some fans most certainly want instant success, but most in my opinion would be patient enough to wait, as long as they could see progress and changes within the club.

Trollope would have revolutionised the way we played football. He wasn't given any time because he was going to get us relegated.

[NYCBlue]

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

Harris is a professional and making a pretty decent wedge. And he's been in the game long enough to not worry what fans think. It's the club hierarchy that will fire him. The club and Harris have been very fortunate that the fans have been unable to vote with their feet this season. And Harris has been given time and has been able to bring in new players. Instead of improving on last season, we have regressed. If we could see where this is going it might be different. I think the players have had enough, I think Harris has had enough.

As for him being honest, if he was honest he could at least tell us what he's trying to do. Saying "I'm trying to win games, it's up to the club if they want to sack me" is factual. (and stating the obvious) It's not what I'd call honest.

[J R Hartley]

Harris is a professional and making a pretty decent wedge. And he's been in the game long enough to not worry what fans think. It's the club hierarchy that will fire him. The club and Harris have been very fortunate that the fans have been unable to vote with their feet this season. And Harris has been given time and has been able to bring in new players. Instead of improving on last season, we have regressed. If we could see where this is going it might be different. I think the players have had enough, I think Harris has had enough.

As for him being honest, if he was honest he could at least tell us what he's trying to do. Saying "I'm trying to win games, it's up to the club if they want to sack me" is factual. (and stating the obvious) It's not what I'd call honest.

So just because its stating the obvious hes not being honest?

What are you suggesting? That he is purposely trying to lose?

Harris may not be everyones cup of tea but one thing he isnt is false. He doesnt piss down your back and tell you its raining, unlike the man who come before him.

[NYCBlue]

So just because its stating the obvious hes not being honest?

What are you suggesting? That he is purposely trying to lose?

Harris may not be everyones cup of tea but one thing he isnt is false. He doesnt piss down your back and tell you its raining, unlike the man who come before him.

I'm saying that not telling lies about what is in plain sight doesn't earn him the label of being honest or dignified. I don't think he's trying lose. I'm beginning to think he may have given up though. I am not asking you specifically, but does anyone have any idea what's going on? Is it the players? Is it the manager? Is it both? How did it get to this?

[Tuerto]

I'm saying that not telling lies about what is in plain sight doesn't earn him the label of being honest or dignified. I don't think he's trying lose. I'm beginning to think he may have given up though. I am not asking you specifically, but does anyone have any idea what's going on? Is it the players? Is it the manager? Is it both? How did it get to this?

He looks and sounds as if he's had enough in my opinion. I don't blame him for hanging it out though.

[DubaiDai]

The upshot is Cardiff fans want to play a different style and bring youngsters through but they are not prepared to wait the time its going to take to adopt such an approach.

Bellamy summed it up perfectly in his interview with Scott Johnson recently. He would want 3-5 years to change it but the fans are too impatient they want instant success.

I agree about the time however we are not seeing the start to any plan of change.
This is basically Warnockball but with players with less motivation

[Jimmy the Jock]

There are no shoulds in football

Like any other football club things sometimes get difficult and the team hits bad patches

I think the diatribes against Harris are part of what is wrong with the modern game , players and managers used to be given time , now the boot is stuck in

In terms of his inevitable replacement its pin a tail on the donkey time as there doesn't seem to be anyone out there

I wish whoever it is the very best of luck and hope he turns things round quickly or some will soon be calling for his head

Anyone who believes no one wants the managers job in Cardiff is living in a dream world

Cardiff city job would be a great job in football for most managers.

I doubt Pep or Jose have Cardiff in their sights , there wont be many others who wouldn't like the job though, especially those without a job or the up and coming in the lower leagues..

Harris has had a go , he is failing . Its modern football , we sack the manager

[Der Kaiser]

Whilst I still think he can be the man, his time must be running out rapidly now. Previous seasons I'd have confidently said we beat barnsley, we'll be lucky to get a point next week.

Big decision but the bigger question for those calling for his head is, do you actually think the club, the board, will replace him with a better option? Harris may be guilty of leading this team on such a poor run of form with a team of players capable of competing at the top end, but the board has to take responsibility for overseeing the decay of the club internally and specifically the academy for the better part of 10 years. I suppose if we hadn't got relegated from the premier league at first chance both times these issues might not be present, but they are, because the board hasn't prepared for it.

We'll do well not to be in league one in the next 5 years if there aren't major restructures at the top of the club.

[Bluebird23]

Anyone who believes no one wants the managers job in Cardiff is living in a dream world

Cardiff city job would be a great job in football for most managers.

I doubt Pep or Jose have Cardiff in their sights , there wont be many others who wouldn't like the job though, especially those without a job or the up and coming in the lower leagues..

Harris has had a go , he is failing . Its modern football , we sack the manager

Spot on, Jimmy!