This Eu vaccine row

[xsnaggle]

Eh?

The Tories won the election by a majority but they didn't get more than 50% of the votes (I'm including the DUPs vote too)

Which means "the people still voted for it by electing this government" is a lie.

The pro-Brexit parties won less votes than the pro-referendum ones. The Conservatives and DUP got less votes than SNP, Lib Dems, Labour and Green Party. That's a fact. Nobody said that they "won" anything, they just got more votes

I don't think I said that they got than 50% of the vote. But a lot of people voted for them just to be done with Brexit and because they were sick of people in parliament trying to subvert what had been voted for in the referendum.
The number of seats that have always been labour that the conservatives won in order to get the majority weren't won by accident. People voted I think to show what they thought of the MPs who were blocking what they had voted for.

And as I said, on the rare occasion labour win an election they don't worry about their legitimacy because they didn't get more than 50% of the vote.

[dml1954]

Some of you are missing the point. The UK left the EU in January 2020, not December 2020, which was when the transition period ended. This is why we were able to negotiate our own vaccine deals. Otherwise we would have had to get them through the EU and accordingly been up shit creek just like they are now due to their dithering. Germany and Hungary have broken EU rules by doing their own deals because they were fed up of waiting and will no doubt pay for it in due course.

[xsnaggle]

Some of you are missing the point. The UK left the EU in January 2020, not December 2020, which was when the transition period ended. This is why we were able to negotiate our own vaccine deals. Otherwise we would have had to get them through the EU and accordingly been up shit creek just like they are now due to their dithering. Germany and Hungary have broken EU rules by doing their own deals because they were fed up of waiting and will no doubt pay for it in due course.

And one of the reasons we are probably better off out in the long run is just becasuse they insist on one rule for all but then the likes og Germany who have the clout to do so, and particularly France who don't give a shit about anyone but France, ignore the rules and do their own thing when it suits them.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

And one of the reasons we are probably better off out in the long run

Just there's some teething troubles that are affecting the livelihoods of lots of people....

[life on mars]

Some of you are missing the point. The UK left the EU in January 2020, not December 2020, which was when the transition period ended. This is why we were able to negotiate our own vaccine deals. Otherwise we would have had to get them through the EU and accordingly been up shit creek just like they are now due to their dithering. Germany and Hungary have broken EU rules by doing their own deals because they were fed up of waiting and will no doubt pay for it in due course.

Bloody glad we left now .

[Wash DC Blue]

Been showing thier real colours recently :


COVID-19: EU vaccine rollout has been a mess - and AstraZeneca row adds another layer of tension

The bloc's rollout has been sluggish to authorise, haphazard in distributing doses and well behind the UK, writes Adam Parsons

And one of the reasons we are probably better off out in the long run is just becasuse they insist on one rule for all but then the likes og Germany who have the clout to do so, and particularly France who don't give a shit about anyone but France, ignore the rules and do their own thing when it suits them.

No.
That can’t be true surely??

[xsnaggle]

No.
That can’t be true surely??

I know, it's a shocking thing to say isn't it?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What about Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner????

**** the EU, it boils my piss that certain people cannot see that the EU is anti left wing in sooooo many ways.

It’s an unelected cabal.
Absolute shitbags, and typified in how they are behaving in the biggest crisis in 60 years.

It also amazes me how vindictive people can be.
I swear that most fervent remainers would rather be proved right than The UK becoming a better place.

A letter from America from Alistair Cook

[Wash DC Blue]

Been showing thier real colours recently :


COVID-19: EU vaccine rollout has been a mess - and AstraZeneca row adds another layer of tension

The bloc's rollout has been sluggish to authorise, haphazard in distributing doses and well behind the UK, writes Adam Parsons

I know, it's a shocking thing to say isn't it?

I’m not buying it.
The EU is a shining light that promotes equality for all of it’s citizens.
⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

[Wash DC Blue]

A letter from America from Alistair Cook

Would you post the same response to NYC Blue’s contributions?
Probably not because his thoughts on many things fall inline with yours.

Hypocrisy is so ugly!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

And one of the reasons we are probably better off out in the long run is just becasuse they insist on one rule for all but then the likes og Germany who have the clout to do so, and particularly France who don't give a shit about anyone but France, ignore the rules and do their own thing when it suits them.

The French don't give a shit about anyone but France

But us Brits ? ..........looking after number one by leaving Europe?

Mmmmm

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Would you post the same response to NYC Blue’s contributions?
Probably not because his thoughts on many things fall inline with yours.

Hypocrisy is so ugly!

You are living in America and seem to be , on the evidence of recent activity , a libertarian in many of your views .

Boris Johnson and his crew are libertarians , not to be confused with Liberal of course

Your attack on the EU is an example of this

I am of course going to take the piss in a light hearted way of someone who has Adam Smith type views on how those of us who are living over here should be

The country voted to leave Europe, in my opinion a staggeringly stupid decision but that decision is now being put into practice . But basically close on half the electorate who voted were against us leaving .

The signs of problems are already there , trade is sliding away , the future is uncertain and economists will always disagree but the vast majority of economic forecasters and analysts are trending that the decision to leave what you call a cabal is going to be a bad one for the future of this country . I used to follow the work of capital economics who are generally regarded as one of the most accurate analysts of economic growth , trending and what they said was not happy reading .

[xsnaggle]

The French don't give a shit about anyone but France

But us Brits ? ..........looking after number one by leaving Europe?

Mmmmm

We spent years tlling them the way they operate is wrontg and when they didn't listen we left the club. That is far more honest than a country staying in and either manipulating or blatantly ignoring the club rules to suit it's own national interests like France has done for years with things like CAP.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I’m not buying it.
The EU is a shining light that promotes equality for all of it’s citizens.
⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

America on the other hand

Land of the free .......home of the slave

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

We spent years tlling them the way they operate is wrontg and when they didn't listen we left the club. That is far more honest than a country staying in and either manipulating or blatantly ignoring the club rules to suit it's own national interests like France has done for years with things like CAP.

I think that's stretching things . I mean the anti European wing of the tory party ? Honest ?

I can't buy that

[xsnaggle]

I think that's stretching things . I mean the anti European wing of the tory party ? Honest ?

I can't buy that

Sadly it isn't stetching things at all.

[Wash DC Blue]

Been showing thier real colours recently :


COVID-19: EU vaccine rollout has been a mess - and AstraZeneca row adds another layer of tension

The bloc's rollout has been sluggish to authorise, haphazard in distributing doses and well behind the UK, writes Adam Parsons

You are living in America and seem to be , on the evidence of recent activity , a libertarian in many of your views .

Boris Johnson and his crew are libertarians , not to be confused with Liberal of course

Your attack on the EU is an example of this

I am of course going to take the piss in a light hearted way of someone who has Adam Smith type views on how those of us who are living over here should be

The country voted to leave Europe, in my opinion a staggeringly stupid decision but that decision is now being put into practice . But basically close on half the electorate who voted were against us leaving .

The signs of problems are already there , trade is sliding away , the future is uncertain and economists will always disagree but the vast majority of economic forecasters and analysts are trending that the decision to leave what you call a cabal is going to be a bad one for the future of this country . I used to follow the work of capital economics who are generally regarded as one of the most accurate analysts of economic growth , trending and what they said was not happy reading .

You never answered my question, but instead decided to go ad-hominem which frankly sums up a lot of the problems we have nowadays in discourse.

Again, on a previous post you failed to acknowledge Dennis Skinner and Tony Benin’s views and decided to raise the fact that I live in the US obviously discounting the fact that I spent the majority of my life in the UK, want to move back, think about my family and friends and deeply care about the country.

I’ve also noticed the use of the term “libertarian” a lot from you recently.

I don’t think I am one. But what’s another ad-hominem accusation if it can get you out of a dressing points made?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You never answered my question, but instead decided to go ad-hominem which frankly sums up a lot of the problems we have nowadays in discourse.

Again, on a previous post you failed to acknowledge Dennis Skinner and Tony Benin’s views and decided to raise the fact that I live in the US obviously discounting the fact that I spent the majority of my life in the UK, want to move back, think about my family and friends and deeply care about the country.

I’ve also noticed the use of the term “libertarian” a lot from you recently.

I don’t think I am one. But what’s another ad-hominem accusation if it can get you out of a dressing points made?

Well you live in the United States which clearly doesn't look after all its citizens on the back of a dig that the European is guilty of something similar

I definitely think you are a libertarian

Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner are a good laugh but are not taken seriously

But the decision of this country to leave the EU is very serious

If you are looking to move back I wish you well but I think the country is going to be in a piss hole

[Wash DC Blue]

Been showing thier real colours recently :


COVID-19: EU vaccine rollout has been a mess - and AstraZeneca row adds another layer of tension

The bloc's rollout has been sluggish to authorise, haphazard in distributing doses and well behind the UK, writes Adam Parsons

Well you live in the United States which clearly doesn't look after all its citizens on the back of a dig that the European is guilty of something similar

I definitely think you are a libertarian

Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner are a good laugh but are not taken seriously

But the decision of this country to leave the EU is very serious

If you are looking to move back I wish you well but I think the country is going to be in a piss hole

For One: It shouldn’t be a comparison.
The US isn’t what was being discussed.

For Two: I don’t think you really understand what a Libertarian is.
I don’t identify myself as a libertarian or with any steadfast ideology for that matter.

For Three: How on earth can you call yourself a Labour Man and call Tony Benn “A good laugh and not to be taken seriously”?

My beliefs sit comfortably alongside those of Paul Embery.
He thinks that the modern left hate “The Working Class” and I agree with him.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

For One: It shouldn’t be a comparison.
The US isn’t what was being discussed.

For Two: I don’t think you really understand what a Libertarian is.
I don’t identify myself as a libertarian or with any steadfast ideology for that matter.

For Three: How on earth can you call yourself a Labour Man and call Tony Benn “A good laugh and not to be taken seriously”?

My beliefs sit comfortably alongside those of Paul Embery.
He thinks that the modern left hate “The Working Class” and I agree with him.

if you are going to say sarcastically that the European Union takes care of all its citizens then I think its a bit of a cheek coming from someone who lives in the country which says its the land of the free and promotes justice and equality for all ......unless you are black and gives people the right to walk into shops and buy guns . If the EU isn't looking after its citizens then the good old u s of a is a fecking disaster

You have laid into Europe, I am pointing out that the USA which has loads of different state laws is a single market just like the EU you hate so much

I know exactly what a libertarian is , they can come from the right and the left you come from the right judging by your posts on Europe. Thatcher was a libertarian as is that idiot Boris Johnson.

Most people of a left leaning with half a brain realise that Tony Benn , Skinner and Corbyn are a good laugh to listen to but completely lost and often full of hot air .

[life on mars]

For One: It shouldn’t be a comparison.
The US isn’t what was being discussed.

For Two: I don’t think you really understand what a Libertarian is.
I don’t identify myself as a libertarian or with any steadfast ideology for that matter.

For Three: How on earth can you call yourself a Labour Man and call Tony Benn “A good laugh and not to be taken seriously”?

My beliefs sit comfortably alongside those of Paul Embery.
He thinks that the modern left hate “The Working Class” and I agree with him.

I think Embery's view are fairly spot , isn't he an ex union official and feels Labour has lost touch and neglected its traditional voters, it seems they have moved away from the old fashion working class and become a middle-class cosmpoltian party which now seeks urban city voters .

Looking at the last few elections his views maybe right

I read somewhere that the Tory party now attract as many working class voters , perhaps that was borne out by the so called collapse of the Northern Red Wall, and losing Scotland another working class stronghold ,it appears lost to them ??

Perhaps their tactics have been badly thought through over the years , or has their in-fighting since Blair consumed and destroyed them , who knows , all I do know, something went wrong 🤔

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think Embery's view are fairly spot , isn't he an ex union official and feels Labour has lost touch and neglected its traditional voters, it seems they have moved away from the old fashion working class and become a middle-class cosmpoltian party which now seeks urban city voters .

Looking at the last few elections his views maybe right

I read somewhere that the Tory party now attract as many working class voters , perhaps that was borne out by the so called collapse of the Northern Red Wall, and losing Scotland another working class stronghold ,it appears lost to them ??

Perhaps their tactics have been badly thought through over the years , or has their in-fighting since Blair consumed and destroyed them , who knows , all I do know, something went wrong 🤔

People of a working class background can have Conservative values and people who are very wealthy and privately schooled can have socialist values .

Labour have portrayed themselves as the party of the working man but some of the people I know , but are not an associate of , are working class, vote Labour and are racist and far more racist than Conservative people I know . I think the labour party are done and the centre and left of British politics need to unite and form a new party as this country is lurching to the right and it will only get worse .

The fella from the fire brigades Union is anti European so clearly Mr Washington agrees with him although I hope he doesn't agree with his views on sexuality

[Wash DC Blue]

if you are going to say sarcastically that the European Union takes care of all its citizens then I think its a bit of a cheek coming from someone who lives in the country which says its the land of the free and promotes justice and equality for all ......unless you are black and gives people the right to walk into shops and buy guns . If the EU isn't looking after its citizens then the good old u s of a is a fecking disaster

You have laid into Europe, I am pointing out that the USA which has loads of different state laws is a single market just like the EU you hate so much

I know exactly what a libertarian is , they can come from the right and the left you come from the right judging by your posts on Europe. Thatcher was a libertarian as is that idiot Boris Johnson.

Most people of a left leaning with half a brain realise that Tony Benn , Skinner and Corbyn are a good laugh to listen to but completely lost and often full of hot air .

You’ve offered nothing but accusations.
I’ve no desire to give you a “Wood Shedding” so will leave this be.

[Wash DC Blue]

Been showing thier real colours recently :


COVID-19: EU vaccine rollout has been a mess - and AstraZeneca row adds another layer of tension

The bloc's rollout has been sluggish to authorise, haphazard in distributing doses and well behind the UK, writes Adam Parsons

The fella from the fire brigades Union is anti European so clearly Mr Washington agrees with him although I hope he doesn't agree with his views on sexuality

I’m not familiar with his views on sexuality.
If they are homophobic, my views no longer sit comfortably with his.
I’d be surprised and disappointed if they were.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You’ve offered nothing but accusations.
I’ve no desire to give you a “Wood Shedding” so will leave this be.

You on this thread have described the EU as a cabal and are clearly anti Europe. Unless you didn't actually type what was typed . You said the EU boils your piss and doesn't care for its citizens yet you live in the USA where not looking after huge sections of society is the norm . The fella you quote isn't as free thinking on certain issues as you may believe .