Mr Biden will not like this happening in his beloved IrelandOriginally Posted by Wash DC Blue
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Mr Biden will not like this happening in his beloved Ireland
I think that The EU has cocked up massively with such pettiness.
Their true colours are never very far from the surface but this decision is disappointing to even the most dogmatic of FBPE’ers.
I agree. Just a couple pf months ago they were warning us that our approval process was too quick and not robust. Best to take time with a comprehensive evaluation process even if to takes more time they said.
Their attitude now changed with time of the essence and they won't tolerate any sort of delay in supply.
It appears that they never even spoke to The Irish Government before acting.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-no...mpression=true
Sky News are reporting that the EU are about to announce they have backed down from using Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol. What this means in practice remains a mystery.
This thread seems to be a little quieter this evening.
Strange that, considering the monumental bombshell dropped earlier and the subsequent backpedaling.
Has to be worthy of a comment or three in a thread that was popping last night.
What the EU was quoted as saying in the news item as to their reason for overiding the Irish Protocol by taking the powers to stop Vaccines poing th Northern Ireland
"This is justified as a safeguard measure pursuant to Article 16 of that Protocol in order to avert serious societal difficulties due to a lack of supply threatening to disturb the orderly implementation of the vaccination campaigns in the Member States."
What they actually meant was
"We messed up our vaccine supply and we are now trying to blame anyone else we can particularly the UK"
Succinctly put.
Any counters to this?
Bueller...Bueller...
Clocks must have gone forward.
No doubt there will be plenty of bright, eager “FBPE” warriors happy to slay “The Gammon” in the morning.
i see I didn't misjudge you at all.
The EU have got this wrong, I think almost everyone agrees on it, but it's interesting to see Leave voters and/or supporters descending on this one thread like hungry pigs around a trough - it rather tends to support the notion that there's been little or nothing before now to get their teeth into.
Having made the mistake of helping this thread off track by a good discussion with Sludge about DLA/PIP, I will try not to do the same again. I will therefore not discuss Leave voters or Remain voters or pigs in a trough or gammon and concentrate on replying to your last sentence
There may have been little or nothing for leave supporter to get their teeth into (in the last month possibly correct, in the last 4 years questionable but that's another thread, let's not get side tracked again! )
But this comedy of errors was a Doozie and has turned into the gift that kept giving.
First the EU as I pointed out at the start seemed to suggest that Astra Zeneca should fulfill the contract with them at the expense of us giving them some of our vaccines so that the UK Astra Zeneca contract won't be fulfilled on time even though we signed ours three months before the EU finally got round to signing one!!
Then the Germans suddenly seem to find that the Astra Zeneca vaccine won't be effective on under 65's and say they won't give it to them, followed Macron sneering that it will have very little effect on the over 65's
Now, I suppose there is still a chance that they may be right, but several eminent scientists in this country and our regulatory authority disagree with them, and perhaps more important Europe's own medical regulatory authority also seems to think they are wrong.
Then comes the real killer. They threaten to invoke a part of the Northern Ireland protocol, section 16 (which I suspect was probably there in times of dire emergency), which restrict the free movement of medical vaccines and therefore go against the Belfast agreement which not long ago the EU seemed to regard as sacrosanct.
Worse than this they don't even appear to have consulted their own member state who are directly involved. Ireland would have been particularly affected if it had got to the stage where the UK decided to take reprisals and invoked section 16 themselves on some other goods.
Even worse they then seem to try to ay it was a "bureaucratic mistake" when such a decision should surely be taken at the very highest level of the commission i.e by Ursula Von der Leyen and then only I would have though after consultation with all member states and certainly with Ireland.
Vindictive, bungling, bullying ,spiteful, inefficient, arrogant are all words with are apt here
I'm sure I have missed somethings they said as well bul
t let's not overegg the pudding
Finally by even suggesting that section 16 can be invoked at the drop of a hat, apparently without much discussion, they have may have made it easier for Britain to use or threaten to use it at some time in the future.
Other than that though they're doing quite well.
" Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the theatre"Other than that though they're doing quite well.
Europe has retreated on article 16 after a massive backlash .
God they really have embarrassed themselves.
Sadly Macron the ( poor loser ) is still dissing our vaccine , he's starting to sound like a European Trump anti-vaxxer .
Sorry for being pedantic, but it is important to distinct between Europe and The EU.
What a load of bollox. It was, and still is, a corrupt organisation. They are already showing their true colours over this vaccine situation.
Take of your “we are doomed sandwich board” and give it a rest.
well we have left Europe now , people got what they wanted
So whinge all you want about how nasty they are , too late now , nothing to do with me , I voted to stay
If Britain was in Europe and strong then .....
But there you go
We wouldn’t have the vaccines we have now.
It sounds selfish but Europe was supposed to be purely a self preservation body.
The benefits have ebbed away and is now more about giving than taking for certain members.
The argument all along was .....its better to be in this huge market , right on our doorstep and saying we are a major economy , this is the score , than outside letting the fat cats rule
Well you voted out
Too late now
well the flaws with the EU were obvious and things needed to change
But we have left now
Well that was part of the preoblem Sudge. Cameron tried hard to change them and failed.
Largely due to France as usual.
Hand on heart do you honestly believe that the UK had any clout when we were in the EU ?
If you remember Cameron sought to get concessions from the EU whilst we were in the organisation. It was widely reported that his efforts failed miserably and he was then surprised that the referendum result didn't go the way he was expecting.
In or out we were never strong enough to influence the way the EU was being run.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/...an-recognised/
Indeed. We were members of the club (with all the benefits it bestowed) but had every opportunity to walk away from the things we didn't like. It was almost like having the cake and eating it. Or to articulate it better, from your article,
"And on those occasions where the UK really was uncomfortable with the direction of travel taken by its partners, it proved highly successful in negotiating effective opt-outs. These can arguably traced back to its 1978-9 decision to refrain from participating fully in the European Monetary System and proliferated during the 1990s and the first years of the 21st century, eventually covering Euro membership, participation in Schengen, and important aspects of justice and home affairs provisions".
Having said that, the actions of the EU (which they backed away from after all of 2 hours) were quite shocking and politically motivated. They have acted too slowly and too cautiously regarding vaccines and backed the wrong ones.
Don't forget that our government did not pick a winner. They pretty much bought any vaccine going... it was like betting on all the horses in the race and then saying you won. Will we be paying for this for years to come?.
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