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  1. #1

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    Initially I wasn't to sure on it but if as reported its until the end of the season with a year's option its hard to see it as anything other than an excellent deal. Offers something different to anything else we have in midfield and it it doesn't work out or new manager doesn't want him then we can say good buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
    Initially I wasn't to sure on it but if as reported its until the end of the season with a year's option its hard to see it as anything other than an excellent deal. Offers something different to anything else we have in midfield and it it doesn't work out or new manager doesn't want him then we can say good buy.
    He performed so well in the Euros that I could never understand why he wasn't playing at a consistently high level. Obviously his lack of fitness has been a major factor but even if we can get a decent performance from him in half of the remaining games it will help our cause no end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    He performed so well in the Euros that I could never understand why he wasn't playing at a consistently high level. Obviously his lack of fitness has been a major factor but even if we can get a decent performance from him in half of the remaining games it will help our cause no end.
    If we are looking to play a new way we need different type of players and he gives us that. If it doesn't work out no harm done.

    Wouldn't surprise me if those going OTT will be wanting him to stay longer come the summer.

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    He performed so well in the Euros that I could never understand why he wasn't playing at a consistently high level. Obviously his lack of fitness has been a major factor but even if we can get a decent performance from him in half of the remaining games it will help our cause no end.
    He barely played in the Euros

  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
    He barely played in the Euros
    He featured in more than half of the games (four out of six), playing a hundred and fifty minutes - looks like the joke's on you.

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
    He barely played in the Euros
    I thought he came on in a few of the games. Anyhow, he impressed me when I saw him and hopefully he can replicate that form.

  7. #7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    I thought he came on in a few of the games. Anyhow, he impressed me when I saw him and hopefully he can replicate that form.
    Started against Slovakia, came on against England, Northern Ireland & Portugal so he played a lot more than most in that squad

  8. #8

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    Just read on the Charlton site that it’s the 3rd time MM has signed him and that they share the same agent. I don’t know if this is true or not.

  9. #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish. View Post
    Just read on the Charlton site that it’s the 3rd time MM has signed him and that they share the same agent. I don’t know if this is true or not.
    Pretty sure they're both at New Era Sports.

    There are quite a few big agencies though who will have vast numbers of clients; so no conspiracy I'm sure!

  10. #10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish. View Post
    Just read on the Charlton site that it’s the 3rd time MM has signed him.....
    Incredibly, it's the fifth time McCarthy has signed Williams - he had four separate loan spells at Ipswich.

    The first was during the second half of the 2013/14 season, when he made 11 (+2) Championship appearances.

    The second and third loan spells came during 2014/15. He made 4 (+1) Championship appearances in his first spell, which was marred by injury problems. He returned to Portman Road for another couple of months late in the season, but made only two sub appearances thanks to more injury issues.

    Williams joined Ipswich for a fourth time for the whole of the 2016/17 campaign and guess what? Injuries restricted him to just one start and seven sub appearances.

    So, his league appearance stats in four loan spells for McCarthy read as follows:

    2013/14: 11 (+2) appearances
    2014/15: 4 (+1) appearances
    2014/15: 0 (+2) appearances
    2016/17: 1 (+7) appearances

    Total: 16 (+12) appearances

    Given his terrible injury record during his second, third and fourth loan spells at Ipswich, you'd have thought Mick McCarthy would have been one of the last managers who would have wanted to sign Jonny Williams. But apparently not.

  11. #11

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    Thankfully it's only a short term contract, if it comes off fine, he wont be here next season and neither will Mick

  12. #12

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    We've just paid £200k for a current Welsh International attacking midfielder who is approaching his prime. That's a hell of a bargain

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    We've just paid £200k for a current Welsh International attacking midfielder who is approaching his prime. That's a hell of a bargain
    While I have reservations about him I will also say that he has impressed me at times, and certainly has skills which we need in midfield. If he stays fit he could prove a good signing - but that's such a big if. I hope he proves my reservations completely wrong!


  14. #14

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    When he scored his goal for Wales recently and Gabbs and Collins were in the studio, they talked about how he had been working with a sports psychologist regarding his injuries. At the time i thought it was a very candid discussion.

  15. #15

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    When he scored his goal for Wales recently and Gabbs and Collins were in the studio, they talked about how he had been working with a sports psychologist regarding his injuries. At the time i thought it was a very candid discussion.
    On the subject of that goal, I’m not sure there’s too many players at City who would have been able to score it - it was a very good finish which makes you wonder why he hasn’t scored more.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=JhVmETCLNMM&feature=share

  16. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    On the subject of that goal, I’m not sure there’s too many players at City who would have been able to score it - it was a very good finish which makes you wonder why he hasn’t scored more.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=JhVmETCLNMM&feature=share
    This isn't Jonny bashing because I like the guy and hope he proves a few people wrong on here but do you think it's a good finish or did he just stick his foot out and hope? I remember thinking that at the time when people were talking about what a great finish it was like that was exactly what he had in mind.

    Might very well be my ignorance but to me he was in the right place (in itself commendable) and stuck his foot out as the ball game in and it ended up looking like a great finish when he didn't really know where it was going to go. Not that I cared, huge goal that was.

    The goal's at about 2:12 on that link by the way for anybody who wants to watch it

  17. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    This isn't Jonny bashing because I like the guy and hope he proves a few people wrong on here but do you think it's a good finish or did he just stick his foot out and hope? I remember thinking that at the time when people were talking about what a great finish it was like that was exactly what he had in mind.

    Might very well be my ignorance but to me he was in the right place (in itself commendable) and stuck his foot out as the ball game in and it ended up looking like a great finish when he didn't really know where it was going to go. Not that I cared, huge goal that was.

    The goal's at about 2:12 on that link by the way for anybody who wants to watch it
    Well, Dave Edwards says that Williams only needed to get a touch on it, so you might be right, but he’s outside the near post when he hits it, so he’s had to hit it across his body and it would have been easy for him to have put it over the bar.

  18. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Well, Dave Edwards says that Williams only needed to get a touch on it, so you might be right, but he’s outside the near post when he hits it, so he’s had to hit it across his body and it would have been easy for him to have put it over the bar.
    It is an absolutely brilliant finish, someone with that quality should score a lot more goals too. It's also come late on where we desperately needed a goal. He knows he can't thrash at it, it's a great goal.

  19. #19

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    Oops

  20. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Incredibly, it's the fifth time McCarthy has signed Williams - he had four separate loan spells at Ipswich.

    The first was during the second half of the 2013/14 season, when he made 11 (+2) Championship appearances.

    The second and third loan spells came during 2014/15. He made 4 (+1) Championship appearances in his first spell, which was marred by injury problems. He returned to Portman Road for another couple of months late in the season, but made only two sub appearances thanks to more injury issues.

    Williams joined Ipswich for a fourth time for the whole of the 2016/17 campaign and guess what? Injuries restricted him to just one start and seven sub appearances.

    So, his league appearance stats in four loan spells for McCarthy read as follows:

    2013/14: 11 (+2) appearances
    2014/15: 4 (+1) appearances
    2014/15: 0 (+2) appearances
    2016/17: 1 (+7) appearances

    Total: 16 (+12) appearances

    Given his terrible injury record during his second, third and fourth loan spells at Ipswich, you'd have thought Mick McCarthy would have been one of the last managers who would have wanted to sign Jonny Williams. But apparently not.
    That's quite a stat.

    Puts the Don Cowie, Malky love child thing into the shadows

  21. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    When he scored his goal for Wales recently and Gabbs and Collins were in the studio, they talked about how he had been working with a sports psychologist regarding his injuries. At the time i thought it was a very candid discussion.
    He's got thrush as well?

  22. #22

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    Jonny Williams has appeared in 9 out of 20 games since he signed for us. He played for a total of 174 minutes and didn't create or score a single goal. We lost 5-0 to the team that finished bottom of the league in the only game he started.

    I bet we give him a contract extension.

  23. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Jonny Williams has appeared in 9 out of 20 games since he signed for us. He played for a total of 174 minutes and didn't create or score a single goal. We lost 5-0 to the team that finished bottom of the league in the only game he started.

    I bet we give him a contract extension.
    Which of those 5 goals were his fault again?

    Jonny Williams was signed on a 6 month contract on a cheap deal. He's been a squad player this year and will step up next year if we extend.

    Josh Murphy gets paid buckets more but was outscored by Mark Harris in 17 fewer games. Let's see if Jonny can provide more or less than 2 goals and 5 assists in 34 games next year, eh?

  24. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Which of those 5 goals were his fault again?

    Jonny Williams was signed on a 6 month contract on a cheap deal. He's been a squad player this year and will step up next year if we extend.

    Josh Murphy gets paid buckets more but was outscored by Mark Harris in 17 fewer games. Let's see if Jonny can provide more or less than 2 goals and 5 assists in 34 games next year, eh?
    Jonny Williams is one of those players who is technically competent and nice to watch, but completely ineffective when it comes to the business of winning games of football in the Championship. He won't step up next season and we'll probably be scrapping it out in a relegation battle if he features regularly for us.

  25. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Jonny Williams is one of those players who is technically competent and nice to watch, but completely ineffective when it comes to the business of winning games of football in the Championship. He won't step up next season and we'll probably be scrapping it out in a relegation battle if he features regularly for us.
    Sadly I have to agree with this, very busy but no end product. Like a poor mans Harry Arter

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