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Thread: Brentford to stop taking a knee

  1. #61

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    This one yes, as it's getting repeatedly boring and taking up football chat on a matchday.
    Why not just not open the thread?

    Taking up football chat? It isn’t a finite resource

  2. #62

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I don't give a sh*t what footballers think - it's a free world [?], but I go to a game to watch football not have political lessons from 22 dimwits before every game. I doubt 'taking the knee' has moved people in any direction on the subject, though perhaps a few stone statues did actually move. I seriously doubt it would have lasted more than a couple of games with crowds in attendance. They look like a load of daft twats when the do it and I reckon would be told so pretty quickly..
    I always find people who “don’t want politics” in sport are the ones who’s “politics” are being called into question.

    I think taking a knee has raised awareness of the situation quite well. The fact it’s still being discussed shows it’s doing it’s job. It might be time to end it sooner or later but it’s still working now.

    Also after your ongoing posts in the coronavirus thread I don’t know how you can call anyone a dimwit.

  3. #63

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    And since when did not being racist become a political topic?

    There seems to be a disingenuous attempt by some to link the political group Black Lives Matter with the tacking a knee.

    Plus there seems to be an attempt by some to misinterpret the “defund the police” statement to be something it isn’t either due to ignorance or to want to undermine any anti racist message.

  4. #64

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Why not just not open the thread?

    Taking up football chat? It isn’t a finite resource
    At least I got someone laughing

  5. #65

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Why not just not open the thread?

    Taking up football chat? It isn’t a finite resource
    I'm with Bluetit: we don't want to get to the end of the internet before kick-off.

  6. #66

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56117084

    Wilfred Zaha sharing his personal perspective. I thought it was powerful

  7. #67

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Rumours Brentford will not be taking the knee in the Premiership.

    Croatia are saying the same for the Euro's , both refer to the alleged no politics rules in football , and its long-term ineffectiveness , as per Zaha point and decision ?

  8. #68

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56117084

    Wilfred Zaha sharing his personal perspective. I thought it was powerful
    I don't agree with Zaha and don't think what he says is powerful at all. "Taking the knee" I think began with Colin Kapernick who did it while the US national anthem played. The point being you're supposed to stand reverentially. Not doing so was very, very powerful. Kapernick (partially at least) lost his career for his actions. He is to be lauded for his bravery. Zaha is of course completely entitled to do as he likes. I always feel a sense of optimism when sports people protest racism (in whatever form) and extreme pessimism when people boo.

  9. #69

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Rumours Brentford will not be taking the knee in the Premiership.

    Croatia are saying the same for the Euro's , both refer to the alleged no politics rules in football , and its long-term ineffectiveness , as per Zaha point and decision ?
    Football and politics will always be intertwined, no getting away from the fact. Cheap get out line for them, the far right, who, let’s not kid ourselves are the shit stirrers in this situation, have attempted to peddle their political filth to football fans for years. They’ve been rightly silenced in more recent years, their odious songs, monkey noises and ignorant behaviour being eradicated with the threat of stadium bans, prosecution etc. This booing is in their eyes a legitimate way of showing their true colours, us proper fans, when back in the grounds, should make our feelings known to them if they start their shite. Leopards don’t change their spots, their racism is still bubbling below the surface, we should be on our guard, we can’t go back to the bad old days.

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  11. #71

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    I got into a debate about it on the other board.

    Some interesting debates. And some rancid views.

    One thing I find absolutely laughable is that
    people are claiming that the players are now supporting and implementing a socialist agenda...(oh that it were true!)

    Footballers.. socialists... Lol.

    Football has become the epitome of capitalism and players probably don't even know what socialism is.

    Imagine being allowed to watch live football for the first time in over 18 months and the first thing you do is boo your own players for a gesture which is attempting to unite against racism.. before they have even kicked a ball. what an abysmal thing to do.

    Talk about snowflakes..

    So what if the players take the knee. Even if fans think it's little more than tokenism, it's the players choice.

    If it's more offensive to someone when players take the knee than it is when players receive ongoing aggressive racist abuse and threats, it shows how stupid people are.

  12. #72

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Football and politics will always be intertwined, no getting away from the fact. Cheap get out line for them, the far right, who, let’s not kid ourselves are the shit stirrers in this situation, have attempted to peddle their political filth to football fans for years. They’ve been rightly silenced in more recent years, their odious songs, monkey noises and ignorant behaviour being eradicated with the threat of stadium bans, prosecution etc. This booing is in their eyes a legitimate way of showing their true colours, us proper fans, when back in the grounds, should make our feelings known to them if they start their shite. Leopards don’t change their spots, their racism is still bubbling below the surface, we should be on our guard, we can’t go back to the bad old days.
    Ain't that the truth

    All lives matter ! ........shut up you daft racist

  13. #73

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    I got into a debate about it on the other board.

    Some interesting debates. And some rancid views.

    One thing I find absolutely laughable is that
    people are claiming that the players are now supporting and implementing a socialist agenda...(oh that it were true!)

    Footballers.. socialists... Lol.

    Football has become the epitome of capitalism and players probably don't even know what socialism is.

    Imagine being allowed to watch live football for the first time in over 18 months and the first thing you do is boo your own players for a gesture which is attempting to unite against racism.. before they have even kicked a ball. what an abysmal thing to do.

    Talk about snowflakes..

    So what if the players take the knee. Even if fans think it's little more than tokenism, it's the players choice.

    If it's more offensive to someone when players take the knee than it is when players receive ongoing aggressive racist abuse and threats, it shows how stupid people are.
    The problem with your sensible and reasoned approach is that people who fervently support booing the taking of the knee ........something I support but would not object to if it ended .....are fecking stupid racists

    They can argue its run its course , its bringing politics into football , its Marxist etc as long until they are blue in the face but they are racists and when you hit them in the face with that they either admit it or make all sorts of excuses to try and slip their way out of it .

    Educated debate is fine but booing players for taking the knee ? Naaa

  14. #74

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The problem with your sensible and reasoned approach is that people who fervently support booing the taking of the knee ........something I support but would not object to if it ended .....are fecking stupid racists

    They can argue its run its course , its bringing politics into football , its Marxist etc as long until they are blue in the face but they are racists and when you hit them in the face with that they either admit it or make all sorts of excuses to try and slip their way out of it .

    Educated debate is fine but booing players for taking the knee ? Naaa
    Yeah.

    Some people on the other board proved that.

    And they are often in denial of the facts... taking the knee, while gained support after George Floyds murder, was started in 2016 by Colin Kaepernick, who is no Marxist activist, just an American Football player who peacefully demonstrated against the continued persecution of black people at the hands of the police - which is demonstrably proven.

  15. #75

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    Is football becoming more political or is politics becoming more like football?

    The absolute certainty applied when Player X is described as a diving cheat and Player Y was travelling at speed so even slightest touch would send them over (depending on whether it's your side or not) is now more obvious in politics and topical debates.

  16. #76

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    I got into a debate about it on the other board.

    Some interesting debates. And some rancid views.

    One thing I find absolutely laughable is that
    people are claiming that the players are now supporting and implementing a socialist agenda...(oh that it were true!)

    Footballers.. socialists... Lol.

    Football has become the epitome of capitalism and players probably don't even know what socialism is.

    Imagine being allowed to watch live football for the first time in over 18 months and the first thing you do is boo your own players for a gesture which is attempting to unite against racism.. before they have even kicked a ball. what an abysmal thing to do.

    Talk about snowflakes..

    So what if the players take the knee. Even if fans think it's little more than tokenism, it's the players choice.

    If it's more offensive to someone when players take the knee than it is when players receive ongoing aggressive racist abuse and threats, it shows how stupid people are.
    I've nothing against players 'taking the knee'. They have a lot of spare time on their hands which is normally taken up playing video games in their 'games rooms'. So I suggest they do it in parks, go on marches, anywhere else other than in front of football supporters who, in the main, don't want to see it. Not because what it does or doesn't represent, but they don't cough up all that dosh to be preached to by dimwit footballers..

  17. #77

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    Yeah.

    Some people on the other board proved that.

    And they are often in denial of the facts... taking the knee, while gained support after George Floyds murder, was started in 2016 by Colin Kaepernick, who is no Marxist activist, just an American Football player who peacefully demonstrated against the continued persecution of black people at the hands of the police - which is demonstrably proven.
    One of the inspirations behind taking the knee was Nate Boyer a white former green beret.

  18. #78

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Is football becoming more political or is politics becoming more like football?

    The absolute certainty applied when Player X is described as a diving cheat and Player Y was travelling at speed so even slightest touch would send them over (depending on whether it's your side or not) is now more obvious in politics and topical debates.
    Raising issues about racism isn't political.

    But as an aside, music, art and sports have always been political.

    Those who call for a separation of music, arts and sports from politics are deluded or at the least selective in their history discourse.

    From the slaves in America writing songs of freedom, the Olympics in Nazi Germany, Marlon Brando boycotting the Oscars to protest Hollywood's treatment of Native Americans, the boycotting of apartheid South Africa by musicians and sports teams - to taking the knee... unavoidable and mercifully, necessary and part of a humans expression to highlight and improve things.

    Long may it continue.

  19. #79

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Lets prey the new football role models of society behaviour in the appropriate for all manner of things not just race .

  20. #80

    Re: Brentford to stop taking a knee

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I've nothing against players 'taking the knee'. They have a lot of spare time on their hands which is normally taken up playing video games in their 'games rooms'. So I suggest they do it in parks, go on marches, anywhere else other than in front of football supporters who, in the main, don't want to see it. Not because what it does or doesn't represent, but they don't cough up all that dosh to be preached to by dimwit footballers..
    It does seem to touch a nerve with the daily mail readers.

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