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just a few times would be helpfulOriginally Posted by stan butler
He created us but that don't mean he will bail us out everytime we mess up.
Hitler
Stalin
Thatcher
Hes hardly lending us a helping hand is he ?
And who created God ?
I want a word with him as well
It's interesting how many atheists seem to speak about 'God' in the singular and as if the Abrahamic version is the only one worshipped.
There are are hundreds, if not thousands, of deities out there.
And I believe in none of them
God hasn't got the time to deal with the real issues, he's way too busy dealing with Karen from Cardiff who is praying that her cat gets better.
Heres to swimming with bow legged women
I want to be burnt on a viking longship
Another controversial conversation that has crossovers which inevitably get heated.
My spiritual beliefs are mine and mine only.
The spiritual beliefs you have or don’t have are largely down to where and when you were brought up or people and experiences we encounter.
I think that I swim against the modern tide in my belief that the downsizing of spirituality has caused problems.
I also think that many who are incredibly dogmatic in their atheism are too scared too call out or at least mock Islam to the same degree or comfort that they would with pretty much everything else.
When I moved here, I quickly come to the conclusion about the Christian Right that they were Darwinistic and hypocritical in their Political/Religious/Business views...supporting businesses like Walmart for example.
I think there is probably a converse hypocrisy to those that believe in Natural Selection as well regarding what should and shouldn’t thrive.
Anyway.
Here’s a great interview with a man that I greatly admired.
I disagreed with him on numerous things but wish he was alive today to speak his great mind.
Christopher Hitchens.
BTW...if you mention his Brother in any capacity here...you are doing him a disservice.
https://youtu.be/LIVEsa2g4ag
I always thought religion and spirituality were supposed to make people nicer in theory. A coincidence that everyone who’s posted strong religious beliefs in here are the ones who come across as being twats on here.
If god is omnipotent surely he’d just fix it all rather than letting people suffer though?
I don't want to come across as, to quote you...'Being a twat'. You ask a good question but an unrealistic one. We both know that there are forces for good and evil in this world. As an example most recently guards bashing the shit out of protesters in Russia. How can that be right but that's mans' doing not God's. So what do you want him to do in that situation? Kill the guards, some if not all might be good people forced into obeying orders?. Kill the protesters? Kill Putin?. ...and what would it solve anyhow. Man can sort this out if he chose to without divine intervention .
Jesus answer was to get in and mix it with those deemed to be 'bad people', he talked to them, ate with them. He believed there was good in everyone, and that we are all his ( God's) people.
I won't go on other than to ask those who will surely respond with some off the cuff comments to reflect first.
I've reflected.
I still have a potentially "off the cuff" comment for you...
The example you gave was lovely, but how to you explain infants who have died of horrible diseases? Whose "will" determined those horrific events?
Hard to answer this in a few sentences, it's a very good question. Not being flippant but it's not God's will that children ,or anyone for that matter, should die from prematurely from horrible disease. We are born into a world of suffering and pain, much of it manmade, much of it through our battles with nature and disease. You and I will suffer, have suffered, and the Bible's message is that God shares our pain in this world and offers comfort to those that seek it through him.
I had a very good friend who died as a young adult leaving a wife and baby. He was a bricklayer by trade but gave it up to become a priest. He was a joy to be with and he honestly and openly took on board the suffering of his parishioners at a very personal level. He offered love, comfort and the promise of faith in the same way that Christians believe God does.
He was a 'brittle' diabetic, hard to control and he knew he would be unlikely to live a long life. But he filled his life with purpose and love, and not once did he complain' why me'. Why didn't God save him you may ask? For what? To live a few more years with an increasing amount of suffering that is linked to his condition. We look at the physical, God at the spiritual and the answer might be wrapped up in that.
I seem to be like someone trying to explain to you how a car engine works when you will find the complete answer by looking though the manual. And you know the manual I'm talking about...from the Greek it's called 'The Book'
Amen 🙏
What about the dinosaurs.
Didn't pray enough
They didn’t exist for god squad did they?
A load of made up stories from 3000 years ago, we all know the church ruled by fear and persecution not that long ago, imagine how things were when the book was written. Whatever makes you happy though and believing seems to work for some, if you believe you are off to heaven and some afterlife dream existence then good on you....see you there....do they have Guinness?
Not religious and never will be, but it was a year ago on the weekend just ended that I missed my first home game (Wigan) for reasons that weren’t health related in about twenty five years. It was because of the floods which stopped the trains running and my car was out of commission at the time.
I can remember thinking as the rain kept on lashing down that, with a plague coming, if there was a God, he/she was punishing us - I’d say the human race has been pushing any deity’s patience in the last ten years or so!
They saw the light.
Cant remember who it was but someone said recently that the best thing about religion is the architecture.
I tend to agree.
I suppose patronage of the arts in general. but then when you've got all the money it's easier to do so.
a trip to the Vatican is testament (!) to that, utterly obscene levels of opulence, while they were preaching piety to the masses and creaming off their 10%
I'd say music too. Not Christian rock, but lots of orchestral music from a few centuries back was written for religion.
Couldn’t he just zap them with a bit of magic?
Surely being an all powerful omnipotent being god can do whatever he wants?
What about babies born with aids?
What about areas of the world with famine?
What about natural disasters killing villages full of people?
Could a t-Rex even get his hands into the right position?
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