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Thread: McCarthy to Celtic.

  1. #41

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927 View Post
    100%, if you would choose quality of football over winning then I don't know what to say to you
    Agree. Whats the point of trying to play like Barcelona or Brazil every week if you lose every game and get relegated ? The stadium would soon be empty and people would be queuing up on here to request the manager be sacked.

  2. #42

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927 View Post
    100%, if you would choose quality of football over winning then I don't know what to say to you
    I want football that wont make your eyes bleed .

    You are saying whatever I am served up ,I should be happy as long as we win?

    Nah I have had enough of that . The last time the football was truly enjoyable was Dave Jones era .

    I want to be entertained . Not every minute of every game but at least some kind of excitement.

    I was happy to pay my money when Lee Tomlin was playing.

    I know what I need to say to you though. I understand your point of view . You are entitled to it.

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Agree. Whats the point of trying to play like Barcelona or Brazil every week if you lose every game and get relegated ? The stadium would soon be empty and people would be queuing up on here to request the manager be sacked.
    You cant play decent football and win?

    There is no future in hit and hope football in the modern game.

    There is of course a place for the long ball, mix it up though.

  4. #44

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    You cant play decent football and win?

    There is no future in hit and hope football in the modern game.

    There is of course a place for the long ball, mix it up though.
    And we are mixing it up Jim, we’ve been knocking it about quite frequently lately. Some of our longish balls have been played with a purpose rather than hit and hope, Murphy’s long cross for Bennett’s winner at Rotherham was spot on. We’re the second highest scorers in the division, they can’t all have been from free kicks, corners & throw ins, some have been beauties. I like good football but knocking it back and forth without any progress is mind numbing to me, different if you’re Man City and the passing moves you up the pitch and invariably ends up in the net but we can but dream to attain that level. Becoming a ‘square ball’ team would leave me cold and that’s how some teams have played against us, not for me. The ball in the back of the net is the be all and end all really and we’re not doing too bad in that respect.

  5. #45

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    These conversations usually end the same way with two camps talking about the extremes of the long ball and passing games. For myself, I belong more in the latter camp than the former one, but that doesn’t mean I want endless passing, I want better passing than we’ve seen at Cardiff for the best part of ten years. Our best passer of the ball, who has been playing well lately, gave away a goal on Wednesday because he presented the ball straight to our opponents - it would be wrong to say it was a simple pass Pack messed up, but it wasn’t that difficult.

    I think the way we’ve played recently has been effective and it has had quality to it - we’re more effective going forward because we’re not leaving our striker to fight by himself thereby allowing our match winners to get involved in areas where they can change games. What I’ve never been able to understand in the last decade though is why however we’ve tried to play the game since 2014, it has to be done with consistently low passing accuracy figures - do you have to sacrifice the ability to pass the ball well if you opt to play like we’ve done under Slade, Warnock, Harris and McCarthy?

  6. #46

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    I want football that wont make your eyes bleed .

    You are saying whatever I am served up ,I should be happy as long as we win?

    Nah I have had enough of that . The last time the football was truly enjoyable was Dave Jones era .

    I want to be entertained . Not every minute of every game but at least some kind of excitement.

    I was happy to pay my money when Lee Tomlin was playing.

    I know what I need to say to you though. I understand your point of view . You are entitled to it.
    Fair enough mate..wining is all it's about for me, couldn't care less how we do it.

  7. #47

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    I want football that wont make your eyes bleed .

    You are saying whatever I am served up ,I should be happy as long as we win?

    Nah I have had enough of that . The last time the football was truly enjoyable was Dave Jones era .

    I want to be entertained . Not every minute of every game but at least some kind of excitement.

    I was happy to pay my money when Lee Tomlin was playing.

    I know what I need to say to you though. I understand your point of view . You are entitled to it.
    Folk talk about Brentford, Swansea etc., but a decade ago most sides in the Championship were playing good, fast, open football, City especially. Managers have become more pragmatic in recent years with Warnock Harris and McCarthy at the sharp end of the spectrum. Gradually over 3 seasons in the Championship [the one in the PL excluded], we've become less and less attractive to watch. The promotion side was quite good at times, last season so-so, but this season it's not pretty - even the likes of Vaulks admitted so.

  8. #48

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927 View Post
    Fair enough mate..wining is all it's about for me, couldn't care less how we do it.
    Winning not wining, although I whine a lot too.

  9. #49

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    You cant play decent football and win?

    There is no future in hit and hope football in the modern game.

    There is of course a place for the long ball, mix it up though.
    You can but you have to buy people like Ronaldo and Messi then pay them £250K a week each.
    Sucess is the point and that's why there's a danger that we could lose MM - Sucess is a valuable commodity .

  10. #50

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Folk talk about Brentford, Swansea etc., but a decade ago most sides in the Championship were playing good, fast, open football, City especially. Managers have become more pragmatic in recent years with Warnock Harris and McCarthy at the sharp end of the spectrum. Gradually over 3 seasons in the Championship [the one in the PL excluded], we've become less and less attractive to watch. The promotion side was quite good at times, last season so-so, but this season it's not pretty - even the likes of Vaulks admitted so.
    I cant believe that you actually think that last seasons or previous years football was better than this. You obviously haven't been watching, the last 8 games especially. We have a centre forward who can actually score goals with his head or feet, works hard as well for 90 minutes and will probably get over 20 goals ; we have one of the most gifted midfielders in the division in Wilson who any of the other teams in the division would take immediately ;we have two fleet footed wingers/forwards who are taking people on, scoring goals/providing crosses and assists ; we are playing a high pressing game all over the pitch and we have a hard working midfield and defence who stop the opposition scoring. It is like comparing Prosecco to Champagne. Vaulks didn't say it wasn't pretty to watch - he said no one wanted to play against us and that we were probably horrible to play against. You are perpetuating the hype and media misinformation around the way McCarthy likes his teams to play.

  11. #51

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954;5172039[B
    ]I cant believe that you actually think that last seasons or previous years football was better than this.[/B] You obviously haven't been watching, the last 8 games especially. We have a centre forward who can actually score goals with his head or feet, works hard as well for 90 minutes and will probably get over 20 goals ; we have one of the most gifted midfielders in the division in Wilson who any of the other teams in the division would take immediately ;we have two fleet footed wingers/forwards who are taking people on, scoring goals/providing crosses and assists ; we are playing a high pressing game all over the pitch and we have a hard working midfield and defence who stop the opposition scoring. It is like comparing Prosecco to Champagne. Vaulks didn't say it wasn't pretty to watch - he said no one wanted to play against us and that we were probably horrible to play against. You are perpetuating the hype and media misinformation around the way McCarthy likes his teams to play.
    You're not serious surely.

  12. #52

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    Is success going up to the Premier League, followed by instant relegation because the team isnít playing the way it needs to survive?
    The passing game is already embedded in the Championship for some teams and Swansea, Brentford et al have proved that a massive outlay is not a pre-requisite to playing decent football.

  13. #53

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw View Post
    Is success going up to the Premier League, followed by instant relegation because the team isn’t playing the way it needs to survive?
    The passing game is already embedded in the Championship for some teams and Swansea, Brentford et al have proved that a massive outlay is not a pre-requisite to playing decent football.
    Warnock has been saying today that fans have to accept that the current Cardiff squad are strongest playing a certain way and then later brags about how he put it together.

    https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/...ntice-19921924

  14. #54

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Warnock has been saying today that fans have to accept that the current Cardiff squad are strongest playing a certain way and then later brags about how he put it together.

    https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/...ntice-19921924
    Yes I read that too. He's now taking the credit for Mick getting the job, and for 'taking most of the players there'! Is there no end to the man's ego?

    The line up for the last game was Phillips, Ng, Morrison, Flint, Nelson, Bennett, Vaulks, Pack, Murphy, Wilson, Moore.
    So that's 5 of the team, Flint, Nelson, Vaulks, Pack and Murphy that he brought to Cardiff, and he left out Vaulks and Murphy most of the time when he was here last season. And he had Morrison and Flint together while we shipped in goals. Still, let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story!

    I really hope we win tomorrow.

  15. #55

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by cardiff55 View Post
    Yes I read that too. He's now taking the credit for Mick getting the job, and for 'taking most of the players there'! Is there no end to the man's ego?

    The line up for the last game was Phillips, Ng, Morrison, Flint, Nelson, Bennett, Vaulks, Pack, Murphy, Wilson, Moore.
    So that's 5 of the team, Flint, Nelson, Vaulks, Pack and Murphy that he brought to Cardiff, and he left out Vaulks and Murphy most of the time when he was here last season. And he had Morrison and Flint together while we shipped in goals. Still, let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story!

    I really hope we win tomorrow.

  16. #56

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by cardiff55 View Post
    Yes I read that too. He's now taking the credit for Mick getting the job, and for 'taking most of the players there'! Is there no end to the man's ego?

    The line up for the last game was Phillips, Ng, Morrison, Flint, Nelson, Bennett, Vaulks, Pack, Murphy, Wilson, Moore.
    So that's 5 of the team, Flint, Nelson, Vaulks, Pack and Murphy that he brought to Cardiff, and he left out Vaulks and Murphy most of the time when he was here last season. And he had Morrison and Flint together while we shipped in goals. Still, let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story!

    I really hope we win tomorrow.
    I hope we stuff them

  17. #57

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    Remarkable the way people here hate on Sir Neil , arguably our most sucessful ever manager.
    He did huge things for the club.

  18. #58

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by cardiff55 View Post
    Yes I read that too. He's now taking the credit for Mick getting the job, and for 'taking most of the players there'! Is there no end to the man's ego?

    The line up for the last game was Phillips, Ng, Morrison, Flint, Nelson, Bennett, Vaulks, Pack, Murphy, Wilson, Moore.
    So that's 5 of the team, Flint, Nelson, Vaulks, Pack and Murphy that he brought to Cardiff, and he left out Vaulks and Murphy most of the time when he was here last season. And he had Morrison and Flint together while we shipped in goals. Still, let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story!

    I really hope we win tomorrow.
    Warnock will claim all the credit if we do! 😆

  19. #59

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Remarkable the way people here hate on Sir Neil , arguably our most sucessful ever manager.
    He did huge things for the club.
    Yep all of that bouncing around with joy in that final game when we went home , such short memories, yes his tactics could be called into question ,what was not in doubt was his passion and desire to get us up and we need to recognise, thank and honour the man for that .

  20. #60

    Re: McCarthy to Celtic.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Yep all of that bouncing around with joy in that final game when we went home , such short memories, yes his tactics could be called into question ,what was not in doubt was his passion and desire to get us up and we need to recognise, thank and honour the man for that .
    "Home"? Are you inferring that our natural "home" is the First Division/Premier League? Anyway, if it was "home", Warnock oversaw us being kicked out of that home for the footballing equivalent of non payment of our mortgage/rent a year later. A far more appropriate title for "Sir" Neil is the Grand Old Duke of York, because he certainly marched us to the top of the hill and then marched us down again while constantly saying we weren't big or brave enough to stay there despite being given plenty of money to spend on improving us - the signs were he hadn't finished with the downward march either when he left. We were a bottom half Championship team when Warnock took over and were the same when he left.

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