Wales v England

[The Bloop]

Yes the referee messed up in the first half, but England's discipline let them down again and Wales took advantage.

[Pearcey3]

Watching the BBC no-one giving Wales any credit, We scored 16 points unanswered points in the final stages. Very happy tonight.

[the other bob wilson]

Very impressive last twenty minutes by Wales and fantastic to see us score forty against England - yes, once again, luck was on our side, but we have an attacking edge to our game now and a lot of the credit for that should go to Wayne Pivac.

[City123]

For all the crying about the referee, the scores were even with 20 minutes to go and Wales scored 16 unanswered points with relative ease

The line of questioning form the BBC interviewer was pretty embarrassing

[Lord Worcester]

For all the crying about the referee, the scores were even with 20 minutes to go and Wales scored 16 unanswered points with relative ease

The line of questioning form the BBC interviewer was pretty embarrassing

Spot on. 24-24. 20 to go. Who wants it most. Who’s smart enough to see it out. Wales.

[the other bob wilson]

Spot on. 24-24. 20 to go. Who wants it most. Who’s smart enough to see it out. Wales.

Historically, England are a pretty stupid rugby team. As Eddie Jones said on the day he took over as England coach, England have so many in built advantages over the other highly ranked teams in terms of finance, number of players to choose from etc. that they should be able to dominate the game, but they never do.

Wales were a lucky team yesterday, but they were also a much more intelligent one than their opponents.

[surge]

Wales appear clinical in the red zone and improving in defence but I'm still not sure how we're winning some of these games. Some of our previous successful tournament's have seen us only play well in one or two games though and fans quickly forgetting France shooting themselves in the foot...not saying we can say that again this year - think it's too early to say what this team is.

[MacAdder]

For all the crying about the referee, the scores were even with 20 minutes to go and Wales scored 16 unanswered points with relative ease

The line of questioning form the BBC interviewer was pretty embarrassing

Yes, I thought the line of questioning was strange but then I realised that the interviewer was female and thought, nah, I'm not touching this

[Gofer Blue]

The pundits didn't mention the fact that Wales very nearly got another try, if only young Rees-Zammit had managed to pick up that grubber kick!

[Kind of Blue]

I have some sympathy with the one controversial incident, if you want to call it that, when the ref told Farrell to have a word with his players. But what’s wrong with the try where Zammit drops the ball that then comes off his leg that then gets picked up for a try. He mishandled but can it be a knock on if it has come off his leg, with the ball then going backwards anyway?

I’m a casual viewer and liked the game when I was younger and have a broadly decent hang of the rules, as they were then, although age obviously takes its toll of course!

[Gofer Blue]

I have some sympathy with the one controversial incident, if you want to call it that, when the ref told Farrell to have a word with his players. But what’s wrong with the try where Zammit drops the ball that then comes off his leg that then gets picked up for a try. He mishandled but can it be a knock on if it has come off his leg, with the ball then going backwards anyway?

I’m a casual viewer and liked the game when I was younger and have a broadly decent hang of the rules, as they were then, although age obviously takes its toll of course!

There was one replay which showed that even before the ref blew his whistle for the game to restart England's players are already starting to spread out across the field, albeit sluggishly. A classic case of play the whistle!

This is one of the issues I have with rugby - every stoppage takes an age and takes all the momentum out of the game. I'm actually beginning to dislike the game now because of this, combined with the myriad of petty rules, and only watch the Wales games anyway, more out of a sense of patriotism than anything else. Two examples:

1. Line outs. A player kicks a long ball down field and it goes into touch. The rules allow an opposing player to take a quick throw in to another member of his team which gets the game underway immediately and also means that his side have guaranteed possession of the ball, unlike the normal lineout. How often do we see this? Very rarely.

2. Tap penalties. This used to be a common move when a team is pressing the opposition back into their own 22 and gets the game going again. Hardly ever see it these days.

If there are any rugby experts on here then I stand to be corrected!

[delmbox]

There was one replay which showed that even before the ref blew his whistle for the game to restart England's players are already starting to spread out across the field, albeit sluggishly. A classic case of play the whistle!

This is one of the issues I have with rugby - every stoppage takes an age and takes all the momentum out of the game. I'm actually beginning to dislike the game now because of this, combined with the myriad of petty rules, and only watch the Wales games anyway, more out of a sense of patriotism than anything else. Two examples:

1. Line outs. A player kicks a long ball down field and it goes into touch. The rules allow an opposing player to take a quick throw in to another member of his team which gets the game underway immediately and also means that his side have guaranteed possession of the ball, unlike the normal lineout. How often do we see this? Very rarely.

2. Tap penalties. This used to be a common move when a team is pressing the opposition back into their own 22 and gets the game going again. Hardly ever see it these days.

If there are any rugby experts on here then I stand to be corrected!

didn't we score from a tap penalty yesterday?

[Madassa]

There was one replay which showed that even before the ref blew his whistle for the game to restart England's players are already starting to spread out across the field, albeit sluggishly. A classic case of play the whistle!

This is one of the issues I have with rugby - every stoppage takes an age and takes all the momentum out of the game. I'm actually beginning to dislike the game now because of this, combined with the myriad of petty rules, and only watch the Wales games anyway, more out of a sense of patriotism than anything else. Two examples:

1. Line outs. A player kicks a long ball down field and it goes into touch. The rules allow an opposing player to take a quick throw in to another member of his team which gets the game underway immediately and also means that his side have guaranteed possession of the ball, unlike the normal lineout. How often do we see this? Very rarely.

2. Tap penalties. This used to be a common move when a team is pressing the opposition back into their own 22 and gets the game going again. Hardly ever see it these days.

If there are any rugby experts on here then I stand to be corrected!

The Ref did them no favours but England were very lackadaisical. In one shot it shows that the Eng players on the other side of the pitch from the try were nearly all in position BEFORE the Ref blows for time on. Watson sprints to his touchline facing the kick, while Ford saunters over to the other touch looking away, head down and Jonny May is nowhere. They really only have themselves to blame

[xsnaggle]

There was one replay which showed that even before the ref blew his whistle for the game to restart England's players are already starting to spread out across the field, albeit sluggishly. A classic case of play the whistle!

This is one of the issues I have with rugby - every stoppage takes an age and takes all the momentum out of the game. I'm actually beginning to dislike the game now because of this, combined with the myriad of petty rules, and only watch the Wales games anyway, more out of a sense of patriotism than anything else. Two examples:

1. Line outs. A player kicks a long ball down field and it goes into touch. The rules allow an opposing player to take a quick throw in to another member of his team which gets the game underway immediately and also means that his side have guaranteed possession of the ball, unlike the normal lineout. How often do we see this? Very rarely.

2. Tap penalties. This used to be a common move when a team is pressing the opposition back into their own 22 and gets the game going again. Hardly ever see it these days.

If there are any rugby experts on here then I stand to be corrected!

Just a little rider to point 1. The quick throw can only be taken if no one else touches the ball between it entering touch and the player throwing it to a team mate. That means literally anyone, not just another player. It is why you see home team ball boys rushing to get the ball to 'help'. In reality he is stopping that quick throw.
It's one of the reasons why you don't see it too often.

[light up the darkness]

Just a little rider to point 1. The quick throw can only be taken if no one else touches the ball between it entering touch and the player throwing it to a team mate. That means literally anyone, not just another player. It is why you see home team ball boys rushing to get the ball to 'help'. In reality he is stopping that quick throw.
It's one of the reasons why you don't see it too often.

Unless you’re Mike Phillips

https://youtu.be/4YyXTwe6eSw

[Gofer Blue]

Just a little rider to point 1. The quick throw can only be taken if no one else touches the ball between it entering touch and the player throwing it to a team mate. That means literally anyone, not just another player. It is why you see home team ball boys rushing to get the ball to 'help'. In reality he is stopping that quick throw.
It's one of the reasons why you don't see it too often.

Thanks for that, so yet another petty rule that I was not aware of!

[light up the darkness]

There was one replay which showed that even before the ref blew his whistle for the game to restart England's players are already starting to spread out across the field, albeit sluggishly. A classic case of play the whistle!

This is one of the issues I have with rugby - every stoppage takes an age and takes all the momentum out of the game. I'm actually beginning to dislike the game now because of this, combined with the myriad of petty rules, and only watch the Wales games anyway, more out of a sense of patriotism than anything else. Two examples:

1. Line outs. A player kicks a long ball down field and it goes into touch. The rules allow an opposing player to take a quick throw in to another member of his team which gets the game underway immediately and also means that his side have guaranteed possession of the ball, unlike the normal lineout. How often do we see this? Very rarely.

2. Tap penalties. This used to be a common move when a team is pressing the opposition back into their own 22 and gets the game going again. Hardly ever see it these days.

If there are any rugby experts on here then I stand to be corrected!

I don’t claim to be an expert but happy to offer a couple of observations

If you watch the side that kicked it long the wing is always after it like shot to help prevent a quick throw in. There are fewer opportunities at professional level to take a quick throw in because of the way in which players are coached. The level of detail which the attack and defence coaches put into their respective roles is phenomenal.
Defending ball recovery. Exit strategies from different parts of he pitch. Specific Defensive alignment in broken play and from set pieces.
When a Wales player(s)make a tackle the first option is to attempt a turnover. If the ball is being cycled back to the opposition #9 defensive players disengage and sweep left or right depending on where the defence captain is reading that the next attacking play is coming.
1 Forward will defend either side of the breakdown. Called the gatekeeper. Remaining forwards on their feet deploy in 2/3 man pods.

When attacking Wales often line their forwards 1-1-2-2-2. One particular incident that highlighted this was in the first half when after the ball had passed through several pairs of hands Faletau received the ball in the outside centre position with only Tipuric outside him

Tap penalties are always an option if players in the defence switch off for a moment as on Saturday when Daly turned his back and the Wales #9 saw the gap open up with no full back watching. Coaches will not be happy if you take a quick penalty, run into tacklers and lose the ball or give away a penalty for not releasing. Dwayne Peel used to be very quick with taking quick penalties

I’ll tell you something you rarely or never see these days is a tap penalty where the ball is passed to an oncoming player for him to take the ball into contact. I guess it’s because there is a strong chance that possession will be lost.

I think that refereeing standards vary widely even at international level so refs are very influential especially in closer games.

The tackle/breakdown is poorly ref’d, badly coached and is an example of the shambles which turns off the less studious watcher.

[Gofer Blue]

I don’t claim to be an expert but happy to offer a couple of observations

If you watch the side that kicked it long the wing is always after it like shot to help prevent a quick throw in. There are fewer opportunities at professional level to take a quick throw in because of the way in which players are coached. The level of detail which the attack and defence coaches put into their respective roles is phenomenal.
Defending ball recovery. Exit strategies from different parts of he pitch. Specific Defensive alignment in broken play and from set pieces.
When a Wales player(s)make a tackle the first option is to attempt a turnover. If the ball is being cycled back to the opposition #9 defensive players disengage and sweep left or right depending on where the defence captain is reading that the next attacking play is coming.
1 Forward will defend either side of the breakdown. Called the gatekeeper. Remaining forwards on their feet deploy in 2/3 man pods.

When attacking Wales often line their forwards 1-1-2-2-2. One particular incident that highlighted this was in the first half when after the ball had passed through several pairs of hands Faletau received the ball in the outside centre position with only Tipuric outside him

Tap penalties are always an option if players in the defence switch off for a moment as on Saturday when Daly turned his back and the Wales #9 saw the gap open up with no full back watching. Coaches will not be happy if you take a quick penalty, run into tacklers and lose the ball or give away a penalty for not releasing. Dwayne Peel used to be very quick with taking quick penalties

I’ll tell you something you rarely or never see these days is a tap penalty where the ball is passed to an oncoming player for him to take the ball into contact. I guess it’s because there is a strong chance that possession will be lost.

I think that refereeing standards vary widely even at international level so refs are very influential especially in closer games.

The tackle/breakdown is poorly ref’d, badly coached and is an example of the shambles which turns off the less studious watcher.

Thanks for your comments. Yes, as one of the less studious/knowledgeable watchers I agree, a definite turn off.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

I have some sympathy with the one controversial incident, if you want to call it that, when the ref told Farrell to have a word with his players. But what’s wrong with the try where Zammit drops the ball that then comes off his leg that then gets picked up for a try. He mishandled but can it be a knock on if it has come off his leg, with the ball then going backwards anyway?

I’m a casual viewer and liked the game when I was younger and have a broadly decent hang of the rules, as they were then, although age obviously takes its toll of course!

It's 100% a knock on. First movement of the ball went forward and he never regained control of it.

[William Treseder]

We were supposedly lucky when Ireland went down to 14 players. We were then supposedly lucky when Scotland went down to 14 players.
Now we have the English complaining about the referees performance.
At the end if the day, fu*k them all. History will show, we won the triple crown.
We have had some terrible decisions go against us over the yrs, as have all teams in all sports.
Beating England is always sweet. It’s even sweeter when they have something to moan about .

[UNDERHILL1927]

It's a strange coincidence that in the West Brom v Brighton game there was controversy over a ref allowing play to resume ahead of time. Then in the rugby, on the same day a similar incident occurs.

I don't mind the outcome of either, which is once again a strange coincidence.

[surge]

England give away a penalty, Wales go quickly which leads to Biggar doing cross field kick for a try in left sided corner - haven't we seen this before? 17th of August 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eIHinEG15s

Pascal Gauzere was the ref on that day too. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...

[Dave Blue]

Yes, I thought the line of questioning was strange but then I realised that the interviewer was female and thought, nah, I'm not touching this

It was an astonishing ‘performance’. The BBC are defended her, as they would, but do they intend to sink to the standard of a cheap US TV station?

[The Bloop]

There was one replay which showed that even before the ref blew his whistle for the game to restart England's players are already starting to spread out across the field, albeit sluggishly. A classic case of play the whistle!

This is one of the issues I have with rugby - every stoppage takes an age and takes all the momentum out of the game. I'm actually beginning to dislike the game now because of this, combined with the myriad of petty rules, and only watch the Wales games anyway, more out of a sense of patriotism than anything else. Two examples:

1. Line outs. A player kicks a long ball down field and it goes into touch. The rules allow an opposing player to take a quick throw in to another member of his team which gets the game underway immediately and also means that his side have guaranteed possession of the ball, unlike the normal lineout. How often do we see this? Very rarely.

2. Tap penalties. This used to be a common move when a team is pressing the opposition back into their own 22 and gets the game going again. Hardly ever see it these days.

If there are any rugby experts on here then I stand to be corrected!

Quick throws are difficult these days as the kicking team always have one of their fastest backs following up the kick to prevent them.

[cityhammer]

Just a little rider to point 1. The quick throw can only be taken if no one else touches the ball between it entering touch and the player throwing it to a team mate. That means literally anyone, not just another player. It is why you see home team ball boys rushing to get the ball to 'help'. In reality he is stopping that quick throw.
It's one of the reasons why you don't see it too often.

There was that famous occasion when Wales won, might even have secured a GS, when the ref didn’t realise the ball boy had given it to Mike Phillips (I think)!