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Thread: The Budget

  1. #76

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Why do you ask such stupid questions when it is quite obvious to a reasonable person that I was referring to advice given by these 'experts' in general. Clearly the average man doesn't refer to scientists on a regular basis.
    I was referring to the doctors and scientists that the BBC and other media outlets wheel out whenever something good or bad happens. As I said, they are always ready to pour doom and gloom on any good news and make any bad news look as bad as they can. When some doctor in a provincial hospital or a scientist that 'was on the SAGE committee but isn't any more' and such like are trollied out I always wonder how many people the media outlet in question spoke to before they found one who was prepared to voice the opinion they wanted to air.
    Which scientists do you refer to?
    I was just referring to a full sentence you wrote. Thanks for speaking up on behalf of reasonable persons and for calling my questions stupid though.

  2. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    It was a fair question I thought. If you dismiss advice given by scientists and doctors who do you rely on for accurate information?
    Stupid question

  3. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The answer is you scrap the nuclear deterrent

    And also you don't give the nurses on 25k a ten percent pay rise which is plain daft , you give them a 2 or 3 percent pay rise which is easily possible even 8n the current economic circumstances

    But the tories want to scrap the NHS , have never liked it and don't give two shifts about the people who work saving lives , never have , never will
    But the Chief exec of the RCN says they deserve 12.5% rise. Your 3% isnt going to satisfy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I was just referring to a full sentence you wrote. Thanks for speaking up on behalf of reasonable persons and for calling my questions stupid though.
    you and I both know you were implying that I speak directly to scientists about things whereas you actually knew quite well what I meant in my post. That is why it was a stupid question.

  5. #80

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    This is a long thread for a 'kick the can down the road' budget. At least it settles the age old CCMB question, 'was austerity a political choice?', undoubtedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    This is a long thread for a 'kick the can down the road' budget. At least it settles the age old CCMB question, 'was austerity a political choice?', undoubtedly.
    I don't think there as ever a question about whether it was political or not. The questions are was it the right thing to do and did it work? The Labour party clearly would not have opted for that route.
    But as with so many things, like the way this pandemic is being dealt with, its something we will never know unfortunately.

  7. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Dargavel View Post
    Sludge Factory, so help me understand. My father who worked within the NHS as a biomedical scientist, my mother who made assistant director of nursing, my sister who is presently a nurse, my aunties who were an audiologist and nursing receptionist (and are both married to ENT consultants), and my grandmother who was a nurse all vote for a party who doesn’t give a shit about them? Give your head a wobble and stop talking with your Labour blinkers. Trotting out party politics and vitriol makes you look like a halfwit.
    Hardly anyone who works in the NHS votes Conservative

    But you have five in your family

    Quite incredible , almost unbelievable really

  8. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Wow your family has really added wonderful value to our society. Your right its free society and you shouldn't be judged by your political choices there's good in each party and it doesn't make you evil if you chose between one or the other .
    I think its cobblers , hardly anyone in the NHS votes tory

    This bloke has found five

    Naa

  9. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    YouGov poll after budget has with a 13-point lead over Labour.

    ""Their budget was the most popular in a decade, with 55 per cent of people describing it as “fair”""
    but you are not , repeat not , a tory

    I just needed to make that clear

  10. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    But the Chief exec of the RCN says they deserve 12.5% rise. Your 3% isnt going to satisfy them.
    well I don't agree with her

    But 1 percent is taking the piss

    Same old tories

  11. #86

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    YouGov poll after budget has with a 13-point lead over Labour.

    ""Their budget was the most popular in a decade, with 55 per cent of people describing it as “fair”""
    The joy of government is that the people are stupid .......

    The old twat was right ✅

  12. #87

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The joy of government is that the people are stupid .......

    The old twat was right ✅
    There we are then, we're all stupid. Let's move on to the football..

  13. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    There we are then, we're all stupid. Let's move on to the football..
    people who vote tory are either stupid or capitalists

    Its as basic as that really

    The country is being run by a liar , and the budget , given to us by a hedge fund chancer is full of holes

    As you were

    This country is shooting itself in the foot

    But there you go , onto the football

  14. #89

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I agree with that but it isn't what I said. I was about the scientists that come on news programmes and are quoted in newspapers. As I sai I always wonder how many the journalists had to ask before they got one who was prepared to say what they wanted people to hear. If you directly ask a specialist a question regarding his speciality they of course you would expect an answer you could rely on. But that wasn't the point.
    OK, as long as you're sure what you're describing isn't just common old confirmation bias.

  15. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I don't think there as ever a question about whether it was political or not. The questions are was it the right thing to do and did it work? The Labour party clearly would not have opted for that route.
    But as with so many things, like the way this pandemic is being dealt with, its something we will never know unfortunately.
    That doesn't make any sense if it was 'the right thing to do' then we aren't talking about a choice made due to ideology. Austerity was justified because of a deficit and its affect on debt, both are astronomical now and Sunak is choosing not to take such strident action (or any at all). I agree with their assessment now, but it bets the question what on earth were they thinking with from 2010-Boris

    As for whether Austerity worked, they missed almost every target they set themselves to lower the deficit and ultimately debt.

  16. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    ignore the debts and leave it to the fairies to fix
    aka Sunak's budget?

  17. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Wow your family has really added wonderful value to our society. Your right its free society and you shouldn't be judged by your political choices there's good in each party and it doesn't make you evil if you chose between one or the other .
    By using "one or the other" you're showing your true colours whereby, going by what you post on here, you are constantly critical of one of them and constantly supportive of the other - of course people are judged by their political choices, because it points fundamentally to who you are.

  18. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Dargavel View Post
    Is now really the time to reward those in work with a generous pay rise when so many are now out of work?
    Interesting use of the word "generous" there - a one per cent pay rise when inflation in the next twelve months is predicted to reach one point five per cent is "generous"?

  19. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Doesn't sound like the IFS are very impressed.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56276953
    Such a shock that the what's in it for me party supporters have ignored this link.

  20. #95

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I don't think there as ever a question about whether it was political or not. The questions are was it the right thing to do and did it work? The Labour party clearly would not have opted for that route.
    But as with so many things, like the way this pandemic is being dealt with, its something we will never know unfortunately.
    No and no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    my guess is the Government think we might still be having ( maybe local ) restrictions, so its in place for them ? ? ?
    Groundwork for the ‘third wave’

  22. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    well I don't agree with her

    But 1 percent is taking the piss

    Same old tories
    3 to 4% would be reasonable.

    Despite what Nadine Dorries said the country can afford it.

  23. #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    By using "one or the other" you're showing your true colours whereby, going by what you post on here, you are constantly critical of one of them and constantly supportive of the other - of course people are judged by their political choices, because it points fundamentally to who you are.
    In what way ?

  24. #99

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    In what way ?
    i was thinking that too

  25. #100

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    In today's very polarised society it clearly says a great deal about the type of person you are. You've only got to look at this board to see the proof of that. For example, I could go through the list of names of people who have contributed to this thread and been about 90 per cent accurate as to what side of the political divide they belong in, it's the same way with something like Covid and, in many cases, the links they put on here.

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