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Thread: The Budget

  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Lets be honest here ( and i know some will of course refuse to see it ) , this budget has been decent for the low income / working class, Furlough / SE help scheme ( which will save jobs ) and the continuation of the £20 uplift to Universal credit cannot be knocked

    of course we will see the people saying " front line workers should have got a pay rise "

    This government has tried its best with Furlough / SE help for over 1 year, not sure many other countries have gone that far to help
    Agree, though I'm puzzled as to why the furlough scheme has been extended until September. Will businesses still be closed in September ?

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Agree, though I'm puzzled as to why the furlough scheme has been extended until September. Will businesses still be closed in September ?
    my guess is the Government think we might still be having ( maybe local ) restrictions, so its in place for them ? ? ?

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I disagree with you, but if we assume you’re right, that still leaves stuff like sackings for lying to consider.
    He's no saint, for sure, but look hard enough and you can dig up stuff on almost everybody.

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    my guess is the Government think we might still be having ( maybe local ) restrictions, so its in place for them ? ? ?
    God, I hope not. September ?

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Lets be honest here ( and i know some will of course refuse to see it ) , this budget has been decent for the low income / working class, Furlough / SE help scheme ( which will save jobs ) and the continuation of the £20 uplift to Universal credit cannot be knocked

    of course we will see the people saying " front line workers should have got a pay rise "

    This government has tried its best with Furlough / SE help for over 1 year, not sure many other countries have gone that far to help
    "Still fuming at all the brilliant people who got made redundant in October because Rishi Sunak refused to extend furlough until there were just hours to go before the deadline, by which time decisions had already been made. They could have kept their jobs for another year" - https://twitter.com/RMCunliffe/statu...84836058525705

    Do you think that's a fair comment? The challenges of winter surely could have been more expected?

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    "Still fuming at all the brilliant people who got made redundant in October because Rishi Sunak refused to extend furlough until there were just hours to go before the deadline, by which time decisions had already been made. They could have kept their jobs for another year" - https://twitter.com/RMCunliffe/statu...84836058525705

    Do you think that's a fair comment? The challenges of winter surely could have been more expected?
    thats exactly what happened to my lad . would still be in the same job now all for the sake of a few hours

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    "Still fuming at all the brilliant people who got made redundant in October because Rishi Sunak refused to extend furlough until there were just hours to go before the deadline, by which time decisions had already been made. They could have kept their jobs for another year" - https://twitter.com/RMCunliffe/statu...84836058525705

    Do you think that's a fair comment? The challenges of winter surely could have been more expected?

    yes of course that was a mistake, a massive mistake

    but as we were learning different things, Most still had hopes ( in Oct ) that we had seen the back of Covid and lockdowns, it was all pretty fluid , ideally it should have been in place that furlough was on a rolling date, i guess they have learnt that and thus we see it still available for Sept

    Back to the extended Furlough / SE help and the Universal increase, they are really trying to look after them who need it

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Lets be honest here ( and i know some will of course refuse to see it ) , this budget has been decent for the low income / working class, Furlough / SE help scheme ( which will save jobs ) and the continuation of the £20 uplift to Universal credit cannot be knocked

    of course we will see the people saying " front line workers should have got a pay rise "

    This government has tried its best with Furlough / SE help for over 1 year, not sure many other countries have gone that far to help
    Boris was forced into a few socialist lite fiscal policies. I bet that it's boiling his piss.

  9. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    my guess is the Government think we might still be having ( maybe local ) restrictions, so its in place for them ? ? ?
    Travel, hotels airlines etc.....?

  10. #35

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    Corbyn was a radical communist for wanting to raise corporation tax to 26%. Sunak is a hero and saviour for raising CT to 25%.

  11. #36

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    Freezing personal allowances (which the highest earners don't get) or tax thresholds (which are insignificant to the highest earners) increases the blended rates of income tax paid by lower earners but not (or less than) that paid by the highest earners.

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    A week ago people were creaming for him to extend furlough and the £20 a week uplift. He has done that. Now they say he hasn't done it for long enough. There is no way he is ever going to win that battle. Whatever they are given people always want more.

  13. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    yes of course that was a mistake, a massive mistake

    but as we were learning different things, Most still had hopes ( in Oct ) that we had seen the back of Covid and lockdowns, it was all pretty fluid , ideally it should have been in place that furlough was on a rolling date, i guess they have learnt that and thus we see it still available for Sept

    Back to the extended Furlough / SE help and the Universal increase, they are really trying to look after them who need it
    Not SAGE who had recommended circuit breaker by the 21st of September. Around the same time that Sunak was introducing herd immunity scientists into the conversation though?

    There have been workers left out of support all together: newly self employed (200K), new starters (300K), PAYE freelancers (390K), those who are part-time employed and part-time self-employed (1.175million) and many more not helped throughout the pandemic.

    As ever with budgets there will be some good (increasing corporation tax but keeping it lowest in G7 is an example of improvement, keeping £20 uplift) and some bad, but my bias says you're being very lenient on someone who seems to be better at delivering a message than getting the message right.

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    I'm one of thsoe who fell down the middle regarding employed/self employed help. And I couldn't get any other help either.

    As for the advice given/taken. I always take advice from doctors and scientists with a pinch of salt. They will always tell you the worst possible outcome as the likeliest one (Although this time they may have been right) and they are very loathe to agree with any good news, always wanting to temper it with a dose of foreboding doom and gloom. It's just in their nature.
    It like your doctor always tells you 'You mustn't drink' when you are taking this or that medicine. It doesn't really make any difference but they instinctively want to stop people drinking. (Even though half of them drink too much themselves)

  15. #40

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    Time to scrap that hs2 train line save a few 100 billion....

  16. #41

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    “Buried in this is a return to smaller public services, cutting public sector budgets, cutting hospital budgets, freezing pay.”
    Labour take but, if accurate, isn't ten years of slashing away at services, cuts to real health budgets part of why we struggled so much with the pandemic in the first place?

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Time to scrap that hs2 train line save a few 100 billion....
    Spot on. They can scrap it now "with honour" by citing the cost of the pandemic - the perfect get out clause.

  18. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I'm one of thsoe who fell down the middle regarding employed/self employed help. And I couldn't get any other help either.

    As for the advice given/taken. I always take advice from doctors and scientists with a pinch of salt. They will always tell you the worst possible outcome as the likeliest one (Although this time they may have been right) and they are very loathe to agree with any good news, always wanting to temper it with a dose of foreboding doom and gloom. It's just in their nature.
    It like your doctor always tells you 'You mustn't drink' when you are taking this or that medicine. It doesn't really make any difference but they instinctively want to stop people drinking. (Even though half of them drink too much themselves)
    Who do you take medial advice from and who do you refer to regarding science?

  19. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Labour take but, if accurate, isn't ten years of slashing away at services, cuts to real health budgets part of why we struggled so much with the pandemic in the first place?
    I think the statistics show that whilst the UK has suffered more than most with the pandemic, there have been staggering differences between countries due to other factors. The UK has seen 1817 deaths per million. India 113. That's just 7% compared with the UK. India's a poorer country per capita, much more densely populated, and large families living under one roof. However India has one of the lowest BMI's at 21. The UK's is over 27.

  20. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    looks like a kick in the teeth for key workers after a year they've had won't be forgotten by the British Public me thinks
    I remember reading that voters overwhelmingly focus on the last 12-18 month before an election, anything much before that is often irrelevant

  21. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I remember reading that voters overwhelmingly focus on the last 12-18 month before an election, anything much before that is often irrelevant
    well yes but I think this time around will be a bit different after all the majority of us were asked by the current government to stand on our doorsteps clapping our key workers last summer and the masses duly obliged . Lets hope our opposition parties makes this a big factor when we are asked to put our X in the box 12 months before the next general election

  22. #47

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    £407 Billion spent on protecting business,jobs Covid ,time to pay sadly ,noticed he nicked Corbyn's corporation tax election rate hyke promise, should please labour .

  23. #48

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    To be honest, I thought it was a pretty good budget, especially when you consider the state of the nation's finances at the moment. It could have been a lot, lot worse.

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I was replying to a post by Tuerto that was in response to something Mozzer said - there’s no point saying anything about the budget until the politically neutral Institute of Fiscal Studies have had their say on it because all you’ll hear today is party politicking.
    Doesn't sound like the IFS are very impressed.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56276953

  25. #50

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    Fantastic pay deal for those that have put their lives on the line for us , quite literally , from the conservatives

    1 percent pay rise for nurses and doctors

    That clap Boris was doing was clearly one handed

    What a bunch of tossers

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