The Labour Party Is Finished And Must Merge With Others To Challenge Tories

[Tuerto]

Well if a left wing party under corbyn got a beating in the polls do you think a far left party would do better ?

I would love a socialist party in control of this country but its never going to happen so we have to try and get the best we can

I'm not asking for a far left party, even in the unlikely event of it happening, the establishment would crush it, as they did with Corbyn, as did plenty of his Parliamentary party members, because they're not really left wing, they're pro business, pro Bosses, in fear of a right wing media. I think what you want is a Tory lite party, because you think that there's no other option. The Bullies and Gangsters have decided which way politics is going in this country, just to protect their own interests, plenty of people jumping on board with it. I'll never endorse the dilution of real left wing politics, even though it's been happening for the past 30 years.

[City123]

I'm not asking for a far left party, even in the unlikely event of it happening, the establishment would crush it, as they did with Corbyn, as did plenty of his Parliamentary party members, because they're not really left wing, they're pro business, pro Bosses, in fear of a right wing media. I think what you want is a Tory lite party, because you think that there's no other option. The Bullies and Gangsters have decided which way politics is going in this country, just to protect their own interests, plenty of people jumping on board with it. I'll never endorse the dilution of real left wing politics, even though it's been happening for the past 30 years.

I'm fairly convinced that most people who see themselves as "Proper Labour voters" really want that.

We're a servile nation who fetishise authority to the extent that we've got swathes of the country supporting a bill that severely infringes our right to protest. Relatively tame demonstrations are condemned even by liberals and the Labour Party. A former Labour leader was hounded on television for refusing to say he'd commit mass murder through nuclear war while his successor (who abhors violence unless its by the state) says confidently he'd do it. Labour's fully costed, moderately socialist manifesto was considered "far left", "loony", "Stalinist" etc. Anybody who believes in basic decency is a "woke snowflake", anyone who questions whether Winston Churchill was an amazing superhero who did nothing wrong apparently hates the country.

British political discourse has shifted to such a degree that I honestly can't see a Labour government forming for a long time, never mind a properly left wing one. Regardless, Labour are not a vehicle for change, they have vested interests in retaining the status quo. That's true in Westminster and here in Wales