Is there any point continuing with the politics board given that this thread has grown to this size?

This thread goes to the heart of why the Labour party is unsuccessful electorally. Although the Conservative party is becoming more factionalised with "research groups" of stroppy ultra right wingers, they tend to fall into line when there's an important vote or an election to be won - the Conservative's are not called the most efficient election fighting body in history for nothing, they'll do anything to stay in power (for example, a furlough scheme which was socialist in principle) because the lesson that you can do nothing unless you're in power has been learned by them.

On the other hand, Labour nearly always are fighting an "enemy within" and, as I've mentioned before on here, to a large degree, they look inside their party for the people or bodies they are opposed to, not the party they should be concentrating their fire on. Look at Jeremy Corbyn - how many times did he vote against his party when they were in Government?