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I wouldn't like to see Scotland leave the union but I wouldn't stand in their way either, if that is what the majority of Scots want. I would strongly suggest though that the bar be set at a minimum 66% majority otherwise they will have a BREXIT type situation where the country is split down the middle and the bitterness and recriminations will go on and on...
Whenever I hear Sturgeon and Blackford whinging about independence and how dare the wicked Westminster government try to usurp the will of the Scottish people, I must admit I feel like saying ok get on with it, good luck and goodbye!
You are more than welcome to disagree with me and I will respect your opinion - but just responding with 'Absolute nonsense' doesn't really add anything meaningful to the debate, old fruit.Originally Posted by Lord Dargavel
By the way, do you think I, as a Welsh person based in England, should be able to vote if there is a referendum on Welsh independence?
The zap was for my reply to lifeonmars, not you. Don't be sensitive!
Of course they'd be massively affected, that's the whole point - to make big changes.
I think British people who have lived abroad for less than 15 years are still allowed to register to vote. That seems more reasonable to me than saying you lose your rights if you move and if you want them then you should move back.
The figures do show that. That's what "winning side" means.
Yes It was a question and I just answered as I see it , as you point it out you simply asked for a view or opinion .
No zapping from me leave I leave that to the clever super heroes of life .
Some nation states are better configurated than others, couldn't think of a worse example than ours here in the UK tbh.
Really?
Not even South Sudan?
I'll cover South Sudan and raise you Yemen.
As I said, some people just hate The UK.
But does your opinion extend to thinking that Hans from Munich should have had a vote on Brexit if Dennis from Bournemouth is due a vote on Scottish Independence - as you think is only right and proper.
And if not, why not?
Lardy was replying to LOM not you. LOM thinks everyone in the UK should have a right to vote on Scottish independence. Because everyone in the UK is part of the current union and will be affected by the outcome. As Lardy points out using that argument or logic every citizen of the EU should have had a vote on Brexit. Not something LOM would support. Nor me.
All a matter of opinion I suppose, but I think the SNP has some of the most credible, articulate and incisive politicians in the UK - and I am constantly impressed by them and depressed by how Labour and the other opposition parties in Westminster compares. Blackford wipes the floor with Starmer, and Sturgeon (despite the wriggling around the Salmond affair) is a political colossus compared to Johnson.
Each to their own I suppose and whilst I agree that Sturgeon is a smart cookie, I find Blackford to be an annoying whinge bag. And don't get me started on Mr Smug himself. Just glad that he's now on a collision course with his old mucker. They deserve each other
I've always taken some pride in the harmony that exists between the Welsh, English and Scots. What Britain has achieved in that regard gives hope for a peaceful end to all those civil wars raging around the world. It's a good model, and it has been achieved in the face of centuries of hostility. I know we sometimes have a go at each other in sports and politics, but I never felt (just to show my age) that people like Denis Law, Nobby Stiles, George Best, Jock Stein and, yes, Mick McCarthy, were ever anything other than my countrymen.
I like our union. I hope it survives.
I love reading a bit of sarcasm.
Good line. And, I suppose, part of the teasing that is always going on.
But it has been a very long time since the Scots burned Carlisle.
And that is a good thing.
I'm not too sure. Have you been to Carlisle recently ?
I'd love to see the Scots get independence and hopefully see the start of the union fall.
My biggest fear is we'd be stuck with the Westminster crew.
Getting independence carries no guarantees of success in Europe, neither is the collapse of the union , we could see a lot more wealth creation in England and Westminster if it didn'thave to fund Scotland, an interesting fact is 40 percent (£32billion) of state spending in Scotland is provided via Westminster, of which £25billion goes on pensions and social security.
They would have a huge shortfall some say 25 billion as they have big social spending commitments, if they ran independently and could only survive by hiking its taxes or reduce its social spending .
The emotion of independence versus the effect to Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland is something to that needs very careful consideration ,some may hate Westminster but there's a saying better the devil you know
I was sat in a bar with my son on a Saturday night looking out at the goings on in Carlisle centre and I observed that the local ladies who were travelling around in groups appeared to be enjoying a fancy dress evening.
The barman looked out and said “no...it’s always like this”
The West Lothian question is ne that has vexed Westminster politics since Enoch Powell raised it in 1977.
Elected representatives of Scotland should vote on matters that affect Scotland and on no other.
If Scotland choose to go in that direction then so be it and good luck to them except that if it turns to shit especially under that cnt Salmond and they knock on the door asking to be reintegrated they should be advised to fk off directly. IMO
I'd rather be the poor man of Europe but in control of our own destiny than be governed by people with no interest in Wales.
Bingo.
Using that logic are we to assume that you are one of the "I'd rather play Rochdale every season than have my club run by seldom-seen billionaire owner" brigade ?
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