Scottish Independence

[lardy]

Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

[WJ99mobile]

Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

The UK done it in a similar way through Brexit?

[lardy]

The UK done it in a similar way through Brexit?

Brexit is nothing like a country becoming independent.

[WJ99mobile]

Brexit is nothing like a country becoming independent.

There's some major similarities though.

Each 'independence' is different. Is a Catalonia independence the same as a Scottish one? What about Yugoslavia.

Brexit has obvious drawbacks and also massive potential upsides. Scottish independence has obvious drawbacks again some similar upside that may or may not be realised.

To say they are entirely different is for me total rubbish. They both share the same areas of concern but with completely different outcomes and viewpoints.

[lardy]

There's some major similarities though.

Each 'independence' is different. Is a Catalonia independence the same as a Scottish one? What about Yugoslavia.

Brexit has obvious drawbacks and also massive potential upsides. Scottish independence has obvious drawbacks again some similar upside that may or may not be realised.

To say they are entirely different is for me total rubbish. They both share the same areas of concern but with completely different outcomes and viewpoints.

The Yugoslavian independence movements led to new countries. So would the Scottish and Catalonian ones.

Brexit didn't. To say it's similar is for me total rubbish.

[Croesy Blue]

The UK done it in a similar way through Brexit?

You do you think there is a similarity between the two?

[Rjk]

Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

I guess Texas was independent for a short while.

and you could say that the holy Roman empire collapsed into many small states, which eventually some of remerged into Germany but it's not a very good example.

[lardy]

I guess Texas was independent for a short while.

and you could say that the holy Roman empire collapsed into many small states, which eventually some of remerged into Germany but it's not a very good example.

Texas is a nice shout, although I think it left Mexico and eventually joined the US. Really though, it's not easy to find examples of nations that regret independence, even if it's very difficult and daunting.

Anguilla may be one example, as it fought to become an overseas territory of Britain after independence. Would need to read more about it though, as it seems that independence was forced upon them and not sought.

[Rjk]

Texas is a nice shout, although I think it left Mexico and eventually joined the US. Really though, it's not easy to find examples of nations that regret independence, even if it's very difficult and daunting.

Anguilla may be one example, as it fought to become an overseas territory of Britain after independence. Would need to read more about it though, as it seems that independence was forced upon them and not sought.

there doesn't seem to be a really clean cut example. perhaps when an independent Scotland rejoins the EU?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

It would be interesting to see how many people in England and Wales would migrate north of the border if Scotland becomes independent and joins the EU.

[Feedback]

Is there any country that has regretted independence? Have any joined up again?

The Dominion of newfoundland asked London to be governed as a colony
Anguilla seceded from St Kitts and Nevis and asked London to govern it directly
Gibraltar and the Bahamas have both rejected independence in referenda

[not telling]

So a contribution from someone who would have a vote...

Brexit has been a gamechanger. We are told that the only way to stay in the EU was to say no to independence. Well that worked out well, didn't it. We feel shafted.
What is also changes, to a degree, the economic argument. If Scotland were in the EU as an independent country, we would be the natural home for Financial Services and Logistics companies that are based in England but need an EU base - English speaking, good schools, same time zone - it's a no brainer. I expect that we would still lose out financially, but this narrows the gap.
What has also changed is the perception of England - right wing and narrow minded, whereas Scotland sees itself as Social Democrat and open to the world. We are on different paths, and this has become increasingly apparent since the last independence referendum.
And finally, you cannot begin to imagine just how much Boris Johnson is loathed up here.

[William Treseder]

Texas is a nice shout, although I think it left Mexico and eventually joined the US. Really though, it's not easy to find examples of nations that regret independence, even if it's very difficult and daunting.

Anguilla may be one example, as it fought to become an overseas territory of Britain after independence. Would need to read more about it though, as it seems that independence was forced upon them and not sought.

Scotland are probably one of the only countries to vote against independence.

[lardy]

Scotland are probably one of the only countries to vote against independence.

The majority vote YES according to this

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...o-independence

[William Treseder]

The Yugoslavian independence movements led to new countries. So would the Scottish and Catalonian ones.

Brexit didn't. To say it's similar is for me total rubbish.

How would Scottish independence lead to a new country? It’s already a country in it’s own right?

[lardy]

How would Scottish independence lead to a new country? It’s already a country in it’s own right?

If that's a serious question - because Scotland currently isn't a sovereign nation.

[William Treseder]

If that's a serious question - because Scotland currently isn't a sovereign nation.

Obviously it isn’t. It’s a constituent country, but still a country. You make it sound as though a mysterious new bit of land is gonna appear out of the sea, and become known as Scotland. 😀

[lardy]

Obviously it isn’t. It’s a constituent country, but still a country. You make it sound as though a mysterious new bit of land is gonna appear out of the sea, and become known as Scotland. ��

That's ridiculously pedantic. Everyone understands what it means.

[William Treseder]

That's ridiculously pedantic. Everyone understands what it means.

Ridiculously pedantic or not, you should have said independence leads to new sovereign states, not new countries. Just trying to keep you right Lardy. You can thank me another time 👍

[life on mars]

The Orkneys and Shetlands have said that if Scotland declares independence they will declare independence from Scotland and enter into some form of a union with the UK. So the oil stays with the UK.

And perhaps Inverness .

They must be bonkers , they have huge subsidises from Westminster which props up their popular social programs .

Pity they couldn't temporarily have thier funding turned off and let them trial a financial independence period.