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Surprising that gyms are one of the last things to open,
One thing that I feel has been badly handled this pandemic is the missed opportunity to promote health and wellbeing.
Arguably the most important factor an individual can do to beat covid, and we have penalised sport and activity the hardest, while fast food has been encouraged and profited massively the last year.
The wording "By early May" might suggest the potential to open at the end of AprilOriginally Posted by chris lee
I was wrong. More detailed dates hereBREAKING: Further details have been announced about the planned unlocking of #Wales.
— Peter Gillibrand (@GillibrandPeter) March 31, 2021
The @WelshGovernment aim is to be in alert level 3 by the 17th of May.
There were too many to type in a tweet... here is everything you need to know: pic.twitter.com/TinatO6xB1
Theme parks & beer gardens from April 26th but gyms shut until at least May 10th strikes me as strange. They'll consider indoor hospitality from May 17th to open in advance of the Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May.
Strikes me as a bit slow considering the vaccines & low case numbers, but I acknowledge that they have access to far more data and expertise than I do
Wild guess but maybe most people using gyms are u50 so won't be vaccinated?
Indoor activity being the most risk maybe it's best to give them the most time not to catch it.
It is a bit strange about gyms, he did reference that it depended how big and airy the place was a few weeks ago, some are obv very small with little air circulation. If this pandemic has highlighted anything it’s how unhealthy a nation we are, and the virus will attack the most vulnerable here. Time to try and get us all a bit healthier maybe?
What about restaurants and pubs indoors. What about being able to go to a pub and stand at the bar?
I think if he had his way pubs would never open again.
My local pub has just reopened selling take-away drinks only, because their right to furlough had stopped so if they don't do something their staff will be unpaid. But what the sell like this doesn't justify the cost of opening.
What could he possibly gain from this?
He won't 'gain' anything but he doesn't believe in drinking and it will suit his quasi puritan ideology and his left wing perception that the population needs to be controlled and told what to do. He has passed all the covid rules into law and there is no sign of them being repealed. They could sit on the statute books dormant for any maniac to resurrect in the future. As a Pliad member said some months ago, it is government by dictat.
I said right at the start of this that he would keep the pubs closed as long as he possibly could and people said I was imagining it and that they would probably open before England.
Let's see shall we?
See what specifically?
Welsh government strategy and evidence page: https://gov.wales/strategy-evidence-coronavirus
The eventual themes of the pandemic rules have been:
- reduce contact number and contact duration
- outdoor is safer than indoor*
- virus spreads quicker where there is projection which is why singing/shouting is bad and masks are good**
- greater compliance when there is a perception we're all in it together
*There was a really slow recognition that indoor can be made safer with good ventilation. It continues to be too slow.
** For whatever reason the initial advice was anti-masks. Was that bad science or wanting to avoid the cost?
It's perceived likely that we'll have a third wave.
Why no aggressive re-opening with vaccine roll-out?
No vaccine is perfect. Each vaccine will give different levels of protection
against severe disease; the chance of being infected (with symptoms or not)
and chance of infecting someone else if infected.
For example, if 100% of adults are offered the vaccine, covering 80% of
the population (i.e. excluding children), there is 90% uptake overall, and the
vaccine is effective for 80% of the population, then 58% of the population
of Wales will have protection. When combined with immunity from previous
infections, the total amount of protection is large, but it is not enough to
prevent further significant outbreaks in the population. If the virus is still
circulating in our communities, there is more chance of new mutant variations
in the virus emerging.
A large outbreak of coronavirus will put pressure on the NHS and other
local services.
In 2020, people in their late teens, 20s and 30s had significantly more social
contacts. As we relax restrictions and people being to mix again, there will
be more opportunities for COVID-19 to spread among these groups until they
are vaccinated. Although deaths in these groups are rare, around 25% of
hospitalisations are in under 60s, and long-COVID (post-COVID syndrome)
is a continuing concern.
https://gov.wales/coronavirus-contro...les-march-2021
It doesn't work like that. Even if what you say about Mark Drakeford's wishes were true, he can't just make things up as he goes along. He has to win the support of the elected members on whatever issue is at hand.
I would agree with you normally but anecdotal evidence suggests that he tells people what's going to happen and will not listen to any arguments, hence the comment about rule by dictat.
I mentioned before that I have spoken to 3 people who have worked for or close to him and the general consensus is that he is a nasty man. (Those words are not mine). Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him., and I'm talking about the man not his politics.
He's had this mad idea in his head from day 1 you won't talk him out of it.
Indoor pubs will be one of the last things to open because they're about as far from essential as you can get (especially if outdoor service is allowed anyway) and the spread inside is so much worse than it is outside. Especially when poeple have been drinking and forget about social distancing.
I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!
But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!
you do know that they're also closed in England don't you?I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!
But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!
is Boris Johnson also part of this shadowy plot to close all pubs?
Do you have a link to the study? Think we need to be cautious because i) initially there was no evidence to say it was an airborne virus but now there are lots of studies to say that it is - lack of evidence sometimes just means lack of evidence, ii) you can probably find a study to say anything but need to check how effectively it's been set up and how it managed limitations and iii) there is evidence that spread is much more likely indoors so why are pubs/restaurants different?I'm allowed to have mad ideas if I want to. It isn't illegal in this country------- yet!!
But on a serious note, and one which probably won't be acknowledged, just before lockdown in December a study revealed that there was no evidence to suggest that pubs and restaurants were hotspots of infection or that they added to the spread significantly. The report actually determined that th biggest causes of spread were contact amongst extended families and in the local communities as in people going in and out of each others houses and corner shops.
Drakeford actually quoted this in one of his briefings, acknowledging that they were not a great cause, and immediately after closed all the pubs and restaurants, and is now intent that they should stay closed as long as possible.
Where ever you stand that very clearly does not make any sense!
If we're following that study we'd be better off banning corner shops and meeting inside the home (there are rules for the latter) but keep restaurants open. That might be seen as the better option if/when this sort of thing happens again.
Sometimes it's just a political choice though. Scotland made the conscious choice that if it was one of schools or pubs that schools would be protected and pretty sure most would agree with that.
Where is a link to this study on pubs and restaurants?
You are more likely to catch covid at a supermarket or a house when nothing else is open but that's because it's the only indoor thing you can do.
He is briefed and advised by epidemiologists.
I admire how he's not buckling under pressure of the public to get stuff open sooner, particularly as there's elections soon.
But it is an election that welsh labour think they have already won as they always do, added to which he doesn't really care because once its won his is pissing off and letting someone else sort the mess out.
I think he should step down now and let whoever is going to be the new leader fight the election.
Agree entirely
When are most expecting their second jabs? Most people I know will have had both by the end of April. Cases are still spiking in some places, because people can't seem to get their heads around the fact that it's not over yet. Most places are open here. Pubs and restaurants are at 50%. People have been getting their hair/nails etc done for months now. Cinemas are at 25% I think. I don't fancy any of it to be honest. I have my second jab on April 29th. I still don't think I'd feel comfortable going to a gig even after that. We'll see.
Dont get the rant. Outdoor hospitality opening 26th. Right decision happy days.
"When can you stand at the bar"
FFS we are in a global pandemic get a grip.
Mark Drakeford may or not be a difficult man, from what I understand he can be stubborn particularly when it comes to matters of life and death over the economy. But I would much rather that than be governed by an idiot who takes holidays at the height of the pandemic and whose decision making making depends on who he is shagging at the time.
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