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    Surprising that gyms are one of the last things to open,

    One thing that I feel has been badly handled this pandemic is the missed opportunity to promote health and wellbeing.

    Arguably the most important factor an individual can do to beat covid, and we have penalised sport and activity the hardest, while fast food has been encouraged and profited massively the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris lee View Post
    Surprising that gyms are one of the last things to open,

    One thing that I feel has been badly handled this pandemic is the missed opportunity to promote health and wellbeing.

    Arguably the most important factor an individual can do to beat covid, and we have penalised sport and activity the hardest, while fast food has been encouraged and profited massively the last year.
    The wording "By early May" might suggest the potential to open at the end of April

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    What about restaurants and pubs indoors. What about being able to go to a pub and stand at the bar?
    I think if he had his way pubs would never open again.
    My local pub has just reopened selling take-away drinks only, because their right to furlough had stopped so if they don't do something their staff will be unpaid. But what the sell like this doesn't justify the cost of opening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I think if he had his way pubs would never open again.
    What could he possibly gain from this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I think if he had his way pubs would never open again.
    He is briefed and advised by epidemiologists.

    I admire how he's not buckling under pressure of the public to get stuff open sooner, particularly as there's elections soon.

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    But it is an election that welsh labour think they have already won as they always do, added to which he doesn't really care because once its won his is pissing off and letting someone else sort the mess out.
    I think he should step down now and let whoever is going to be the new leader fight the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    What could he possibly gain from this?
    He won't 'gain' anything but he doesn't believe in drinking and it will suit his quasi puritan ideology and his left wing perception that the population needs to be controlled and told what to do. He has passed all the covid rules into law and there is no sign of them being repealed. They could sit on the statute books dormant for any maniac to resurrect in the future. As a Pliad member said some months ago, it is government by dictat.
    I said right at the start of this that he would keep the pubs closed as long as he possibly could and people said I was imagining it and that they would probably open before England.

    Let's see shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    He won't 'gain' anything but he doesn't believe in drinking and it will suit his quasi puritan ideology and his left wing perception that the population needs to be controlled and told what to do. He has passed all the covid rules into law and there is no sign of them being repealed. They could sit on the statute books dormant for any maniac to resurrect in the future. As a Pliad member said some months ago, it is government by dictat.
    I said right at the start of this that he would keep the pubs closed as long as he possibly could and people said I was imagining it and that they would probably open before England.

    Let's see shall we?
    See what specifically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    He won't 'gain' anything but he doesn't believe in drinking and it will suit his quasi puritan ideology and his left wing perception that the population needs to be controlled and told what to do. He has passed all the covid rules into law and there is no sign of them being repealed. They could sit on the statute books dormant for any maniac to resurrect in the future. As a Pliad member said some months ago, it is government by dictat.
    I said right at the start of this that he would keep the pubs closed as long as he possibly could and people said I was imagining it and that they would probably open before England.

    Let's see shall we?
    It doesn't work like that. Even if what you say about Mark Drakeford's wishes were true, he can't just make things up as he goes along. He has to win the support of the elected members on whatever issue is at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    The wording "By early May" might suggest the potential to open at the end of April
    I was wrong. More detailed dates here

    Theme parks & beer gardens from April 26th but gyms shut until at least May 10th strikes me as strange. They'll consider indoor hospitality from May 17th to open in advance of the Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May.

    Strikes me as a bit slow considering the vaccines & low case numbers, but I acknowledge that they have access to far more data and expertise than I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    I was wrong. More detailed dates here

    Theme parks & beer gardens from April 26th but gyms shut until at least May 10th strikes me as strange. They'll consider indoor hospitality from May 17th to open in advance of the Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May.

    Strikes me as a bit slow considering the vaccines & low case numbers, but I acknowledge that they have access to far more data and expertise than I do
    Wild guess but maybe most people using gyms are u50 so won't be vaccinated?

    Indoor activity being the most risk maybe it's best to give them the most time not to catch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Oddie View Post
    It doesn't work like that. Even if what you say about Mark Drakeford's wishes were true, he can't just make things up as he goes along. He has to win the support of the elected members on whatever issue is at hand.
    I would agree with you normally but anecdotal evidence suggests that he tells people what's going to happen and will not listen to any arguments, hence the comment about rule by dictat.
    I mentioned before that I have spoken to 3 people who have worked for or close to him and the general consensus is that he is a nasty man. (Those words are not mine). Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him., and I'm talking about the man not his politics.

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    When are most expecting their second jabs? Most people I know will have had both by the end of April. Cases are still spiking in some places, because people can't seem to get their heads around the fact that it's not over yet. Most places are open here. Pubs and restaurants are at 50%. People have been getting their hair/nails etc done for months now. Cinemas are at 25% I think. I don't fancy any of it to be honest. I have my second jab on April 29th. I still don't think I'd feel comfortable going to a gig even after that. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    But it is an election that welsh labour think they have already won as they always do, added to which he doesn't really care because once its won his is pissing off and letting someone else sort the mess out.
    I think he should step down now and let whoever is going to be the new leader fight the election.
    Agree entirely

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    I was wrong. More detailed dates here

    Theme parks & beer gardens from April 26th but gyms shut until at least May 10th strikes me as strange. They'll consider indoor hospitality from May 17th to open in advance of the Spring Bank Holiday at the end of May.

    Strikes me as a bit slow considering the vaccines & low case numbers, but I acknowledge that they have access to far more data and expertise than I do
    It is a bit strange about gyms, he did reference that it depended how big and airy the place was a few weeks ago, some are obv very small with little air circulation. If this pandemic has highlighted anything it’s how unhealthy a nation we are, and the virus will attack the most vulnerable here. Time to try and get us all a bit healthier maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I would agree with you normally but anecdotal evidence suggests that he tells people what's going to happen and will not listen to any arguments, hence the comment about rule by dictat.
    I mentioned before that I have spoken to 3 people who have worked for or close to him and the general consensus is that he is a nasty man. (Those words are not mine). Personally I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him., and I'm talking about the man not his politics.
    It's strange how Drakeford gets so much stick on here from some and yet we barely get a peep out of them regarding the litany of blunders, u turns and cock ups made by the UK Government and their leader who won't admit to how many children he's got and who has been sacked from jobs for lying.

    Let's face it, even if Drakefprd was to announce everything was going back to normal tomorrow, you'd still find something wrong with it wouldn't you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    It's strange how Drakeford gets so much stick on here from some and yet we barely get a peep out of them regarding the litany of blunders, u turns and cock ups made by the UK Government and their leader who won't admit to how many children he's got and who has been sacked from jobs for lying.

    Let's face it, even if Drakefprd was to announce everything was going back to normal tomorrow, you'd still find something wrong with it wouldn't you.
    Once again you remark about 'some people' just as I could remark that 'some people' post an awful lot of hand-wringing stories links but they are all from the Guardian, but I don't.
    You constantly try to imply that I am some kind of closet conservative but I'm not. As I have stated time and again I just don't like th man and I don't like his motives. I think he is far too dogmatic and too authoritarian in his beliefs and I think his outlook and his own brand of socialism are beyond their time. If he said things were going back to normal tomorrow I'd be delighted but I'd be interested to find out who made him do it.
    I agree there have been cock-ups but I hesitate with regard to the pandemic to call everything a 'U turn'. In a situation never faced before and with an 'enemy' who constantly changes there must be some policies 'made on the hoof' so to speak. And with the threat rapidly changing the response must do the same. When something gets to the point where this is clearly needed it is too easy for the leader of the opposition to get up on his/her hind legs and say we must do xyz knowing full well that it is going to happen, so that when he does he can claim that the opposition had to tell the government what needed to be done 'again' and saying that they have done a U Turn. Every change of policy is not a 'U Turn' despite some factions of the community trying to sell it as such.
    And before this is put at closet support of the conservatives or knocking Labour I would point out that it would be true whatever party were in power. It's what the opposition does. But I take it all with a pinch of salt.
    Maybe he doesn't actually know how many children he's got lol. Have you never ever known anyone who fathered a child that they didn't acknowledge or who didn't pay maintenance for a child or told a lie? Have you never told a lie? don't bother answering or trying to avoid any of those questions, I'm not remotely interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    It's strange how Drakeford gets so much stick on here from some and yet we barely get a peep out of them regarding the litany of blunders, u turns and cock ups made by the UK Government and their leader who won't admit to how many children he's got and who has been sacked from jobs for lying.

    Let's face it, even if Drakefprd was to announce everything was going back to normal tomorrow, you'd still find something wrong with it wouldn't you.
    I agree with you.Even if my mate told me he was a nasty bastard you've only got to compare him to Boris.Many have died because of that idiot but you could argue that he's a jovial chap not like that nasty bastard Drakeford who tells it more like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Once again you remark about 'some people' just as I could remark that 'some people' post an awful lot of hand-wringing stories links but they are all from the Guardian, but I don't.
    You constantly try to imply that I am some kind of closet conservative but I'm not. As I have stated time and again I just don't like th man and I don't like his motives. I think he is far too dogmatic and too authoritarian in his beliefs and I think his outlook and his own brand of socialism are beyond their time. If he said things were going back to normal tomorrow I'd be delighted but I'd be interested to find out who made him do it.
    I agree there have been cock-ups but I hesitate with regard to the pandemic to call everything a 'U turn'. In a situation never faced before and with an 'enemy' who constantly changes there must be some policies 'made on the hoof' so to speak. And with the threat rapidly changing the response must do the same. When something gets to the point where this is clearly needed it is too easy for the leader of the opposition to get up on his/her hind legs and say we must do xyz knowing full well that it is going to happen, so that when he does he can claim that the opposition had to tell the government what needed to be done 'again' and saying that they have done a U Turn. Every change of policy is not a 'U Turn' despite some factions of the community trying to sell it as such.
    And before this is put at closet support of the conservatives or knocking Labour I would point out that it would be true whatever party were in power. It's what the opposition does. But I take it all with a pinch of salt.
    Maybe he doesn't actually know how many children he's got lol. Have you never ever known anyone who fathered a child that they didn't acknowledge or who didn't pay maintenance for a child or told a lie? Have you never told a lie? don't bother answering or trying to avoid any of those questions, I'm not remotely interested.
    You not a closet conservative at all and your comments on Drakeford and Johnson are contradictory despite you trying to make it sound like you’re only defending Johnson because he, like Drakeford, is in power - surely your attitude towards Drakeford should be the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    What could he possibly gain from this?
    He's had this mad idea in his head from day 1 you won't talk him out of it.

    Indoor pubs will be one of the last things to open because they're about as far from essential as you can get (especially if outdoor service is allowed anyway) and the spread inside is so much worse than it is outside. Especially when poeple have been drinking and forget about social distancing.

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    Dont get the rant. Outdoor hospitality opening 26th. Right decision happy days.

    "When can you stand at the bar"

    FFS we are in a global pandemic get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    You not a closet conservative at all and your comments on Drakeford and Johnson are contradictory despite you trying to make it sound like you’re only defending Johnson because he, like Drakeford, is in power - surely your attitude towards Drakeford should be the same?
    Mark Drakeford may or not be a difficult man, from what I understand he can be stubborn particularly when it comes to matters of life and death over the economy. But I would much rather that than be governed by an idiot who takes holidays at the height of the pandemic and whose decision making making depends on who he is shagging at the time.

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    https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/sta...619394560?s=19

    Wales has lowest rate in the UK for the last 2 months.
    well done to those involved.

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