Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
Well i am a socialist but I realise that this country will never ever elect a left wing socialist party , much though I wish they would

So I live in reality and hope that those who don't vote tory , most of the country , will unite under a left of centre coalition so we can get some of our policies implemented

If we don't, we will be waving our arms around for ever

My socialist views are backed up by actions , marching against the racist English defence league when most people sat on their arses , sending sleeping bags , underwear , wet wipes , toothpaste , t shirts, jogging bottoms , tents and other items to an organisation called cardiff help the homeless , which provides emergency help to rough sleepers in Cardiff, I think I have sent 600 quid worth of stuff since lockdown , I have recently become involved in theneedtofeed which helps people escaping violence , the homeless and ex servicemen with ptsd and drug and alcohol problems

So I don't feck about

Its all very well pining for a socialist government but its never going to happen so its a case of getting off your arse and doing something and fighting for whats right and getting a government in that will get as much as what you believe in into power .

Benn , Skinner , Mclusky , Abbott , Corbyn all talk a good game but simply don't have what it takes to win over middle ground voters and keep them

In life you can accept society needs changing and do things personally and try and get a forward thinking left of centre government , of various interests elected ......which is the best we are going to get ......

Or act like someone from the socialist workers student society and forever be left holding the baby .


Bluebirds !
Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
Still trying to figure out how the question in the title of this thread leads to, another, discussion on here in which posters with left wing views end up dissing the Labour Party (or at least the Welsh part of it this time) - what’s that saying........with friends like these, who needs enemies?
Because they're right wing, and have fallen into the arms of a right wing media and the perceived sensibilities of right wing policy. If sludge and co were around 70 odd years ago they would be talking of the NHS and education as a wonderful idea, although fanciful and idealistically naive. That's how far we've sunk I'm afraid.