Duke of Edinburgh dies

[Citizen's Nephew]

Exactly.

One poster in this thread wrote about a semi-deified group of people who are put on a pedestal merely due to their being born in the right bed. I would ask anyone who has posted in this thread to search their hearts and ask themselves would they have preferred to have been born into that group of semi-deified people (i.e. the royal family in this case with all their wealth and status) rather than the family in which they find themselves? I for one am eternally grateful that I was not! Likewise I am eternally grateful that I was not born into abject poverty like a child in Yemen.

I understand your sentiments but I think it's disingenuous to suggest that it's not possible to be humanitarian towards members of the Royal Family and loathe everything they represent. Love thy enemy and all that. To be fair, I know plenty of people who have been born into awful family lives and would swap in a heartbeat with any of them. And, you don't have to go to Yemen to find a child living in poverty. There are plenty close to home.

[MOZZER2]

after watching an enthralling game on BT sports Halifax v Kings Lyn and what a game that was I took in 5 minutes of the funeral and that was enough for me . A good bit of advertising for Jaguar Land Rover mind what a lovely green Defender that was/is

[William Treseder]

That's such a stupid comparison, football fans are the first to be critical of their own players. This thread is pretty strong evidence that those who support the institution of the royal family, don't appear to be able to be critical of it or them as individuals.

Who says who supports the royal family? I certainly don’t. Just because i’ve got an opinion on the topic.
I’ve got an opinion on Man City’s poor performance today, but i’m no fan of theirs.
It’s like wading through treacle on here.

[splott parker]

Who says who supports the royal family? I certainly don’t. Just because i’ve got an opinion on the topic.
I’ve got an opinion on Man City’s poor performance today, but i’m no fan of theirs.
It’s like wading through treacle on here.

Ironically Joe Royle played for and managed Man City, sort of ties the thread up

[William Treseder]

👍😂😂

[William Treseder]

Ironically Joe Royle played for and managed Man City, sort of ties the thread up

Thomas Tuchel became the first German manager to reach an FA cup final as well today. It’s all tying in 👍

[splott parker]

Thomas Tuchel became the first German manager to reach an FA cup final as well today. It’s all tying in ��

And Frau Elizabeth II has attended a good few in her younger days and is free now to have a day out with the girls on tour at this year’s final.

[splott parker]

Thomas Tuchel became the first German manager to reach an FA cup final as well today. It’s all tying in ��

German manager buries Phil Foden the same day as a German Queen buries Phil the Greek

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I don't suppose many on this MB watched the funeral this afternoon, or if they did, would probably not admit to it! I did watch the actual funeral ceremony from about 2.45pm. What I remember most was not the military parade and the general pomp but seeing a little old lady dressed in black sitting all by herself in a cathedral-like building and feeling very sad for her. Sorry if that offends.

lots of other old ladies lose their husbands , it doesn't offend me

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I didn't mention anything about indians, you're inventing things to suit your posts again sludge, as you always do.
As for the "slitty eyes" comment, it was made to brit students studying in China when he met them on a Tour with Chinese dignitaries on the great wall. The Chinese took no offence at it at all, only commenting that it is just the same as they calling us "Round eyes" as they do.
It was the British press who were actually there to help promote the UK for business purposes, that picked up on it and made a huge fuss about it, implying he had insulted the Chinese nation when in reality no insult was intended or taken. It was a jokey comment blown out of all proportion be certain journos.
But being constantly in the public eye I suppose he should sometimes have been more circumspect in his comments.

I think on balance he did far more good for people than he ever did harm and used his position to help a great number and to promote the country across the world. Not a bad thing to do in life really.

But I get the feeling that you are so bitter and envious of anyone whom you see as having more privilege than you that you could never see the good in any of them.

He said what he said , its on record . I haven't twisted or turned anything

I haven't invented anything , that's what he said . Simple as that . I mentioned indians and slanty eyes as that's what he said .

Its on record

Dress it up anyway you want , if you think Indian people and Chinese people are not offended by that sort of language then you carry on living in a dreamworld . If you think that's acceptable then that's up to you to defend but he said those things . He was a silly old entitled bigot .

I don't care a toss about people who have more money than me but I think the entitled rich and the royal family need to be cast into history

And he shot a lion

Good riddance to him

[xsnaggle]

He said what he said , its on record . I haven't twisted or turned anything

I haven't invented anything , that's what he said . Simple as that . I mentioned indians and slanty eyes as that's what he said .

Its on record

Dress it up anyway you want , if you think Indian people and Chinese people are not offended by that sort of language then you carry on living in a dreamworld . If you think that's acceptable then that's up to you to defend but he said those things . He was a silly old entitled bigot .

I don't care a toss about people who have more money than me but I think the entitled rich and the royal family need to be cast into history

And he shot a lion

Good riddance to him

I meant that your post implied that I had made some comment about the indian remark when you know quite well that I hadn't.
But you know that too. you just alter things to suit what you want to see or say.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I meant that your post implied that I had made some comment about the indian remark when you know quite well that I hadn't.
But you know that too. you just alter things to suit what you want to see or say.

No I didn't, I implied nothing of the sort

You said what he said wasn't offensive , I said if you think that what he said about Indian and oriental people wasn't offensive then you must be joking

And I am right

It was extremely offensive

Nicolas Witchell can pass it off as being forthright and telling it like it is , anyone with half a brain knows that's bullshit . He was an embarrassment.

[xsnaggle]

No I didn't, I implied nothing of the sort

You said what he said wasn't offensive , I said if you think that what he said about Indian and oriental people wasn't offensive then you must be joking

And I am right

It was extremely offensive

Nicolas Witchell can pass it off as being forthright and telling it like it is , anyone with half a brain knows that's bullshit . He was an embarrassment.

No. you were trying to draw me into a conversation about indians that I wasn't part of and do not wish to be. I have no opinion about it at all, I don't care.
It seems to me that anything, anything at all, that you think offends your sense of righteousness because you feel the 'oppressed' are being abused, you jump on the band wagon.
But it isn't about the people you espouse to defend it's all about Sludge.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

No. you were trying to draw me into a conversation about indians that I wasn't part of and do not wish to be. I have no opinion about it at all, I don't care.
It seems to me that anything, anything at all, that you think offends your sense of righteousness because you feel the 'oppressed' are being abused, you jump on the band wagon.
But it isn't about the people you espouse to defend it's all about Sludge.

no , thats cobblers

You are a failed psychiatrist I am afraid

I admire your academic slant on things

But its an epic fail

[xsnaggle]

no , thats cobblers

You are a failed psychiatrist I am afraid

I admire your academic slant on things

But its an epic fail

More bullshit. Have a nice day.

[Elwood Blues]

More bullshit. Have a nice day.

You tried.

But you must realise by now that Sludge know more than us mere mortals.

As does TOBW.

We have to bow to their superior wisdom.

And accept their criticism with good grace.

( When IS someone going to invent a suitable sarcasm smiley???)

[the other bob wilson]

You tried.

But you must realise by now that Sludge know more than us mere mortals.

As does TOBW.

We have to bow to their superior wisdom.

And accept their criticism with good grace.

( When IS someone going to invent a suitable sarcasm smiley???)

I’ve barely contributed to this thread, so I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve that dig, but since you went out of your way to mention me, I’ll have my say. Thankfully, I have different opinions to you and some of the other forelock tuggers in this thread and I sometimes set them out on here, I’m not sure, in fact I’m certain I do so by saying I’m more intelligent than you or that you are stupid.

This morning Andrew Marr told me I was wrong for not being interested in yesterday’s funeral, well, if we go by this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56792086

It seems that 50 million others in the UK were not interested enough to ensure that they had access to yesterday’s broadcast and that puts the emphasis the media has put on Prince Philip’s death and funeral into some sort of perspective.

[Elwood Blues]

I’ve barely contributed to this thread, so I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve that dig, but since you went out of your way to mention me, I’ll have my say. Thankfully, I have different opinions to you and some of the other forelock tuggers in this thread and I sometimes set them out on here, I’m not sure, in fact I’m certain I do so by saying I’m more intelligent than you or that you are stupid.

This morning Andrew Marr told me I was wrong for not being interested in yesterday’s funeral, well, if we go by this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56792086

It seems that 50 million others in the UK were not interested enough to ensure that they had access to yesterday’s broadcast and that puts the emphasis the media has put on Prince Philip’s death and funeral into some sort of perspective.

I'll explain that dig later Bob, but I am busy at the moment.

And now by what you have written, I have more to respond to!!!!!!

[xsnaggle]

I’ve barely contributed to this thread, so I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve that dig, but since you went out of your way to mention me, I’ll have my say. Thankfully, I have different opinions to you and some of the other forelock tuggers in this thread and I sometimes set them out on here, I’m not sure, in fact I’m certain I do so by saying I’m more intelligent than you or that you are stupid.

This morning Andrew Marr told me I was wrong for not being interested in yesterday’s funeral, well, if we go by this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56792086

It seems that 50 million others in the UK were not interested enough to ensure that they had access to yesterday’s broadcast and that puts the emphasis the media has put on Prince Philip’s death and funeral into some sort of perspective.

I'm not entirely surev# that you meant to say those words, but as you are by your own admission far more intelligent than others must I assume that you did?

[Elwood Blues]

I’ve barely contributed to this thread, so I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve that dig, but since you went out of your way to mention me, I’ll have my say. Thankfully, I have different opinions to you and some of the other forelock tuggers in this thread and I sometimes set them out on here, I’m not sure, in fact I’m certain I do so by saying I’m more intelligent than you or that you are stupid.

This morning Andrew Marr told me I was wrong for not being interested in yesterday’s funeral, well, if we go by this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56792086

It seems that 50 million others in the UK were not interested enough to ensure that they had access to yesterday’s broadcast and that puts the emphasis the media has put on Prince Philip’s death and funeral into some sort of perspective.

Time to reply.

Why that dig? Well you seem to have forgotten your somewhat dismissive reply to one of my posts on this thread the other day as follows

"What a lot time taken up to say nothing really"

Now the post you were responding to was nothing exceptional but it did make a couple of valid points including correcting what I presumed was an accidental misinterpretation of something i said in an earlier post ( we've all done that) so when you just dismissed it out of had I was a bit miffed.

So I responded as follows

"I thought that despite our differences politically there was mutual respect between us. I certainly respect your views which is why i took the trouble to write a well thought out reply in response to you rather than dash out an angry response which was my first instinct

Perhaps I was wrong to dare to say that the great TOBW had misinterpreted something I said. That can't be true can it???"

You didn't respond to this so I would guess you did not see it.

And now you accuse me of being a "forelock tugger", and that thankfully you do not share my opinions.

I've checked back in this thread for my alleged "forelock tuggung". I found that I agreed that the BBC taking up both BB1 and BBC2 was excessive. I also pointed out that I have never been a great fan of Prince Philip.

I will qualify that latter sentence by saying that I have done a lot of reading about him to confirm my previous fairly negative opinion of him and will say that I was surprised how much my opinion of him improved. I agree that he could be rude, a bit arrogant and because of this made some unfortunate gaffes ( although I suspect some were quite deliberate).

But he was also highly intelligent, good to his staff ( I have seen a few sources that say his office had a very low turnover of staff because he treated them so well.)

His work for the award scheme in his name is well known as of course is his work for the WWF ( I Know Sludge sneers at this but David Attenbrough has praised him for his work in the area and I know who I would believe!!). But apart from this I have also seem many reports of the work he did for the countless charities he was patron of

However I am not ( despite what you seem to have picked up from somewhere???) an unconditional monarchist. Even though Philip modernised them, they may still need to take a hard look at themselves when the Queen passes away. Not a republic in my view but certainly a streamlining - do they really need so many houses????

Finally on your point about the audience for the funeral. You did not include Youtube (over 8 million views at the last count] IPlayer and ITV Hub plus the various other showings during the evening ( I was going to watch it on one these but changed my mind and saw it live, mainly because I forgot to turn over!)

That adds another perspective as to how many saw it.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

More bullshit. Have a nice day.

Adios

[William Treseder]

no , thats cobblers

You are a failed psychiatrist I am afraid

I admire your academic slant on things

But its an epic fail

Out of interest, what do you do for a living ?

[splott parker]

Out of interest, what do you do for a living ?

Full time message board poster obviously

[William Treseder]

Full time message board poster obviously

I was thinking he must be on Mikes payroll.
Either that, or he’s a one man search engine.
The font of all knowledge. I often wonder if there is any beginning to his talents.

[splott parker]

I was thinking he must be on Mikes payroll.
Either that, or he’s a one man search engine.
The font of all knowledge. I often wonder if there is any beginning to his talents.

I like Sludge and his contributions