VAR official and referee WTF

[MacAdder]

MU v Spurs, seen it all now.
McTominay apparently fouled Son.
Farcical.

Edit:
Disallowed the goal, son scores other end!

[valleys caveman]

MU v Spurs, seen it all now.
McTominay apparently fouled Son.
Farcical.

I thought it was a fair decision by VAR.

[Whisperer]

MU v Spurs, seen it all now.
McTominay apparently fouled Son.
Farcical.

Absolute filth of a decision and now Son puts them 1-0 up.

[MacAdder]

I thought it was a fair decision by VAR.

Rubbish.
If Son had not tried to grab McTominay in the fist place (I.e. fouled him), McTominay would not have needed to fend him off.

[valleys caveman]

Rubbish.
If Son had not tried to grab McTominay in the fist place (I.e. fouled him), McTominay would not have needed to fend him off.

So McTominay fended him off then?

[Dave Blue]

He flicked his hand into Son’s face. It’s a foul.

[Whisperer]

He flicked his hand into Son’s face. It’s a foul.

Accidently, always looks worst slowed down

[The Lone Gunman]

He flicked his hand into Son’s face. It’s a foul.

And yet earlier in the day a Newcastle player got kicked in the face in the penalty area and VAR deemed that wasn’t a foul.

Both decisions were ridiculous. VAR has quickly become a genuine embarrassment for the Premier League.

[jeepster]

And yet earlier in the day a Newcastle player got kicked in the face in the penalty area and VAR deemed that wasn’t a foul.

Both decisions were ridiculous. VAR has quickly become a genuine embarrassment for the Premier League.

So true

[Croesy Blue]

And yet earlier in the day a Newcastle player got kicked in the face in the penalty area and VAR deemed that wasn’t a foul.

Both decisions were ridiculous. VAR has quickly become a genuine embarrassment for the Premier League.

It’s what I always thought would happen, these decisions were never black and white and reviewing in them in slow motion only makes it worse.

It was never a foul in my opinion, it all just seems so inconsistent.

[Whisperer]

It’s what I always thought would happen, these decisions were never black and white and reviewing in them in slow motion only makes it worse.

It was never a foul in my opinion, it all just seems so inconsistent.

Absolutely

[The Lone Gunman]

It’s what I always thought would happen, these decisions were never black and white and reviewing in them in slow motion only makes it worse.

The whole thing seems so pointless. The vast majority of the decisions are being reached merely on opinions and the offside rulings are farcical. It’s not making the game better in any respect, so why persist with it?

In most cases, VAR basically boils down to referees in studios either overruling the referees on the pitches or heavily influencing them based on nothing but their own opinions. It’s ridiculous. We were far better off when the opinions of the officials at the game were the only ones that mattered.

[tforturton]

Agreed. Waste of time and money. Either the referee is in charge, or he isn't.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The whole thing seems so pointless. The vast majority of the decisions are being reached merely on opinions and the offside rulings are farcical. It’s not making the game better in any respect, so why persist with it?

In most cases, VAR basically boils down to referees in studios either overruling the referees on the pitches or heavily influencing them based on nothing but their own opinions. It’s ridiculous. We were far better off when the opinions of the officials at the game were the only ones that mattered.

Var has led to better decisions being made and improved the flow of games.

[splott parker]

QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5184260]Var has improved the flow of games.[/QUOTE]

Really? Take today, the game was held up for quite a while, Man Utd celebrated, the question was raised about the ‘flick off’, VAR was looked at, then the ref went over to the pitchside monitor. Hardly improved the flow of the game.

[MacAdder]

What happened to the "clear and obvious" bit? Someone had a goal disallowed yesterday for a hand or an elbow and even with the lines it looked level. Who decides whether it's clear and obvious? One person? More? Can the ref overrule the VAR decision?

I believe the referee's decision is still final.

As you say, it has to be clear and obvious for the decision to be overturned.
That's why I think the VAR person is gutless to not to have made the decision himself and bending the rule by putting it back in the referee's court so that he himself has change his original decision.
The referee was weak today and should have stuck by his original decision. He got it wrong IMHO.

Anybody who has played the game at any level, or even watched the game "live" or without the benefit of TV and slow motion, would have said that the goal should have stood for the simple reason that Son was trying to cheat and got caught by the man he was trying to foul. Serves him right!

Unfortunately at the top level these days, common sense gets overruled by idiots using modern technology.

[MacAdder]

Var has led to better decisions being made and improved the flow of games.

Well the goal that was disallowed today certainly wasn't one of them.

VAR has the potential to be a good thing but the way it is being used is where I see the problem.

Between the referee and the faceless VAR man, they took forever to reach the wrong decision

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Really?

No. I was taking the piss.

[splott parker]

No. I was taking the piss.

Eric, your subtlety has no beginning

[delmbox]

QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5184260]Var has improved the flow of games.

Really? Take today, the game was held up for quite a while, Man Utd celebrated, the question was raised about the ‘flick off’, VAR was looked at, then the ref went over to the pitchside monitor. Hardly improved the flow of the game.[/QUOTE]

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[Whisperer]

The whole thing seems so pointless. The vast majority of the decisions are being reached merely on opinions and the offside rulings are farcical. It’s not making the game better in any respect, so why persist with it?

In most cases, VAR basically boils down to referees in studios either overruling the referees on the pitches or heavily influencing them based on nothing but their own opinions. It’s ridiculous. We were far better off when the opinions of the officials at the game were the only ones that mattered.

I think it should be scrapped on the basis that we tried it and it hasn’t worked to better the game.

[William Treseder]

Terrible decision. Son should have got an Oscar for acting. The fact that the ref watched it replayed a few times, and still thought it was a foul says all you need ti now about VAR.
Complete joke.
Then again, there is even a difference of opinion amongst the few posters on this thread.
It obviously comes down to interpretation

[splott parker]

Any decision that goes against Manchester United is ok by me

[the other bob wilson]

Any decision that goes against Manchester United is ok by me

Yeah, I certainly wasn't disappointed with it, but even I think Man United were hard done by.

[valleys caveman]

Terrible decision. Son should have got an Oscar for acting. The fact that the ref watched it replayed a few times, and still thought it was a foul says all you need ti now about VAR.
Complete joke.
Then again, there is even a difference of opinion amongst the few posters on this thread.
It obviously comes down to interpretation

The way I've looked at it is -
Did McTominays hand hit Son in the face? In my opinion it did.
If an opponents hand hits a player in the face, is it a foul? Again, in my opinion it is.