Bale

[City123]

It seems like Jose's ego doesn't allow him to work with successful players who might have egos of their own.

People then buy the bullshit of "the players aren't good enough/they've got massive egos" etc. The season before he took over Spurs had reached the Champions League final, finished 4th in the league and were set to move into a new ground. This was a good team that was going places

[lardy]

People then buy the bullshit of "the players aren't good enough/they've got massive egos" etc. The season before he took over Spurs had reached the Champions League final, finished 4th in the league and were set to move into a new ground. This was a good team that was going places

Players have to have egos and extra strong self belief or they'll never make it.

But they also have to be team players as they've been in a team all their lives. There's really very few players, if any, that are so individualistic that they can't function with other players. Whereas it's now the norm for Jose. Like you say, he took champions league finalists and perennial qualifiers and made them weaker.

[surge]

People then buy the bullshit of "the players aren't good enough/they've got massive egos" etc. The season before he took over Spurs had reached the Champions League final, finished 4th in the league and were set to move into a new ground. This was a good team that was going places

2019-2020:

Liverpool win the league for the first time in ages
Spurs finish 6th and enter Europa League qualification following a really short summer due to covid.

2020-2021:

Both Liverpool and Spurs have poor seasons based on small squads and too many games. Klopp is a likeable person (at times he really hasn't been this year) who has history of success with Liverpool and survives, Jose has history of falling out with people and doesn't have history of success with Spurs so falls.

Jose's rough period with Spurs was partly built on not getting into Champions League in 2019-2020 so we'd either have to say he was main factor in that (possibly) or he wasn't and circumstances have subsequently gone against him in a way he hasn't managed well.

What I think we can say is that Klopp and Bale have to a degree both benefited from the amount of negative attention Mourinho has attracted this year.