Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

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https://unherd.com/2021/05/labour-isnt-working/?=frlh

Thank you , thats a very interesting article

The working class pro Labour vote that has been lost will see in time that they will be dumped and left behind once the conservatives have used them

What needs to happen now , in England at least , is the formation of an alternative mainstream party to win back those voters when they realise they have been conned

They are not going to return to Labour, its dead . Dead in Scotland and dying in England .

Its all over , its 2021 and I hope those that don't vote tory can be offered an alternative

Those of a centre left , middle ground and former Liberal voting persuasion can be united and if the Labour brand in England is dropped and a clean slate is offered that core Labour vote may join up .


Otherwise its curtains

[the other bob wilson]

Thank you , thats a very interesting article

The working class pro Labour vote that has been lost will see in time that they will be dumped and left behind once the conservatives have used them

What needs to happen now , in England at least , is the formation of an alternative mainstream party to win back those voters when they realise they have been conned

They are not going to return to Labour, its dead . Dead in Scotland and dying in England .

Its all over , its 2021 and I hope those that don't vote tory can be offered an alternative

Those of a centre left , middle ground and former Liberal voting persuasion can be united and if the Labour brand in England is dropped and a clean slate is offered that core Labour vote may join up .


Otherwise its curtains

That article, which is a good one I reckon, sets out the problems facing Labour and the clear message is that the two sides, which spend more time arguing with each other, than doing what I, poor naive soul that I am, believe they should be doing (providing a proper opposition to a Government who surely cannot believe how easy they're having it at the moment) should get their act together.

There is nothing to suggest in recent history that your new party would work or take off - that was tried a few years ago with Change UK, does it still exist?

Similarly, why does the left wing of the Labour Party believe that all of these votes which they're losing in places like Hartlepool would return if only the party returned to the Corbyn approach which was responsible for the worst defeat in God knows how long just eighteen months ago? When has Labour ever won with what I'd call a real left wing socialist agenda? 1945 maybe, but that's it.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've been bemused as to why people in certain areas of the country have decided to vote for a party that has been in Government for eleven years and appear to be holding the party which has been in opposition for all of that time responsible for their lives not being as they'd want them to be - that makes no sense to me and, as Delbert says, blaming Labour councils for what's going wrong when they are having to work within the financial constraints imposed on them by the Conservative Government in Westminster seems barmy.

I keep on waiting to see something from people living in areas like Hartlepool which can logically explain why they are now voting in large numbers for a party which their parents and grandparents would never have trusted and I've not seen anything yet which satisfactorily explains it. However, one thing which is emerging is that people in Hartlepool, and many other towns like it, no longer feel the Labour party represents them and this is a situation which, frankly, the party should be ashamed of.

For now, we're hearing stuff from Labour about how they've lost the trust of the working class, but that looks like crocodile tears to me cried before a return to normal business (i.e. bashing the other side of the party). One comment which id register with me was that it's becoming harder to tell Labour and Tory MPs apart - for all of their talk of the working class, Jeremy Corbyn and his cohorts do not represent those who belong in it and it's becoming obvious that significant numbers of working people struggle to see a difference between them and many in the Conservative party.

Labour have got a huge task on their hands trying to unite groups within it that are no longer united in the way they once were and nothing they've done since the 2019 election suggests they're up to it, but they still represent the best chance for the tens of millions in this country (there are not tens of millions of people in this country who vote tory) who feel they cannot support the Conservatives - they are letting millions of people down at present and will continue to do so until the penny drops that the huge majority of this country are not interested in the endless arguments about who is to blame within the party - they all are for helping create a situation where and governing party can become as lazy, incompetent and arrogant in their behaviour as they like safe in the knowledge that there is no opposition out there to keep them on their game.

[Gofer Blue]

I keep on waiting to see something from people living in areas like Hartlepool which can logically explain why they are now voting in large numbers for a party which their parents and grandparents would never have trusted and I've not seen anything yet which satisfactorily explains it. However, one thing which is emerging is that people in Hartlepool, and many other towns like it, no longer feel the Labour party represents them and this is a situation which, frankly, the party should be ashamed of.

Some young voters in Hartlepool were interviewed on TV recently. As you say, they admitted that their parents/grandparents were horrified that they could even contemplate voting Conservative. The problem is that the older generation are stuck in a 1980's Maggie Thatcher time-warp (closure of the mines etc) about which young people have no direct knowledge. One also mentioned
corruption amongst local Labour councillors (heaven forbid, surely not) as a reason for turning her back on the Labour party. Maybe these young people do not seem themselves as the old traditional working class people anymore and therefore the Labour party is irrelevant to them?

[Tuerto]

Some young voters in Hartlepool were interviewed on TV recently. As you say, they admitted that their parents/grandparents were horrified that they could even contemplate voting Conservative. The problem is that the older generation are stuck in a 1980's Maggie Thatcher time-warp (closure of the mines etc) about which young people have no direct knowledge. One also mentioned
corruption amongst local Labour councillors (heaven forbid, surely not) as a reason for turning her back on the Labour party. Maybe these young people do not seem themselves as the old traditional working class people anymore and therefore the Labour party is irrelevant to them?

Good point, The Tories sold off or closed the industries and manufacturing bases that were the life blood of places like Hartlepool. Diluted workers rights and kicked services into touch. These poor youngsters don't even know what it is to be working class, even though they are. Even that has been stripped away from them, And Labour are just as responsible in my book.

[blue matt]

Good point, The Tories sold off or closed the industries and manufacturing bases that were the life blood of places like Hartlepool. Diluted workers rights and kicked services into touch. These poor youngsters don't even know what it is to be working class, even though they are. Even that has been stripped away from them, And Labour are just as responsible in my book.

the thing is, Young people do not want to be working class, they aspire to better themselves, which is exactly what the Tories tap into

[Eric Cartman]

the thing is, Young people do not want to be working class, they aspire to better themselves, which is exactly what the Tories tap into

Except young people overwhelmingly vote for anybody other than the Tories.

[goats]

Except young people overwhelmingly vote for anybody other than the Tories.

And then switch by their 40’s or 50’s by the look of it