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Thread: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

  1. #151

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by llan bluebird View Post
    .....

    Labour are seen as the woke party, loads of middle class puritans antagonizing all those just trying to make end meet.

    No idea what labour do next.
    FYI, even Andrew Neil (he of GB News fame) has said he agrees with woke'ness - a term that refers to awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice. His issue seems to be minimal: how it's being employed by some.

  2. #152

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Sludge and his ilk are the reason for Labours demise. They took the party too far left for the average Labour voter.


    The party is now in chaos and divided.
    yeah right

    I hated corbyn , livingstone , Abbott etc

    We need a left of centre party to defeat the tories

    The Labour Party is toxic now , incredible when you look at the conservatives and what they get up to but hey ho

    Wales free of tory power ?

    Its a good night for me

    God bless Wrexham , top lads taking it to the fascists in Manchester and keeping out the tories tonight

    God bless em

  3. #153

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    The Labour candidate from Merthyr is from Bristol. No connection to the town. Voted against free meals for vulnerable in this pandemic. In one of the most impoverished areas in the country. So clearly she doesn’t understand the area she’s meant to represent. In fact in her victory speech she thanked the people of Merthyr and Tydfil. I ****ing despair.

  4. #154

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    yeah right

    I hated corbyn , livingstone , Abbott etc

    We need a left of centre party to defeat the tories

    The Labour Party is toxic now , incredible when you look at the conservatives and what they get up to but hey ho

    Wales free of tory power ?

    Its a good night for me

    God bless Wrexham , top lads taking it to the fascists in Manchester and keeping out the tories tonight

    God bless em
    You are as left wing as Chris Waddle old sport

  5. #155

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    You are as left wing as Chris Waddle old sport
    Wrexham , always there when it matters

    You are wasting your vote with plaid sonny

  6. #156

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    You are as left wing as Chris Waddle old sport
    He really isn't.

  7. #157

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Wrexham , always there when it matters

    You are wasting your vote with plaid sonny
    My vote is my vote. I stay true to myself. If you can’t vote Plaid in a vote for the Senedd then when can you vote them? The only party with Welsh interests at heart. I have an irrational hatred for the self serving Labour Senedd candidate in my area and I will never vote the Tories so I’m snookered either way. It is what it is.

    BOWDEN OUT

  8. #158

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He really isn't.
    Tony benn talked a good game

    But it was all talk

    I am chuffed the tories are not governing Wales tonight

    You are still trying to sell copies of socialist worker

    Its fun , but gets you nowhere

  9. #159

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    My vote is my vote. I stay true to myself. If you can’t vote Plaid in a vote for the Senedd then when can you vote them? The only party with Welsh interests at heart. I have an irrational hatred for the self serving Labour Senedd candidate in my area and I will never vote the the Tories so I’m snookered either way. It is what it is.

    BOWDEN OUT
    Its still a wasted vote

    You should have written your weekly shopping list for uncle bert on the polling card

    It is what it is

  10. #160

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Tony benn talked a good game

    But it was all talk

    I am chuffed the tories are not governing Wales tonight

    You are still trying to sell copies of socialist worker

    Its fun , but gets you nowhere
    I'd rather be 'Nowhere' than be where you are

  11. #161

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Its still a wasted vote

    You should have written your weekly shopping list for uncle bert on the polling card

    It is what it is
    Stop bumming Wrexham and get a job Linus

  12. #162

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Stop bumming Wrexham and get a job Linus
    He's on Mikes payroll, has to be

  13. #163

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Stop bumming Wrexham and get a job Linus
    I work about 80 hours a week , its fecking exhausting

    Top lads Wrexham

  14. #164

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I work about 80 hours a week , its fecking exhausting

    Top lads Wrexham
    Watching Pebble Mill and The Chasers with your mother isn’t work ffs

  15. #165

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I'd rather be 'Nowhere' than be where you are
    sadly the majority of the country don't share your political doctrine

    I can't stand the conservatives but realise that you can either talk the talk and live like a dinosaur or press for a modern alternative to the tories that elbows out Diane abbot and her mob and attracts people in the middle ground who sway towards the tories

    You just want to keep spouting power to the people and backing clowns like corbyn

    Carry on , enjoy it if its makes you happy

    But it won't lead to anything approaching a fairer society because the country has changed , not for the better , but it has .

  16. #166

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Watching Pebble Mill and The Chasers with your mother isn’t work ffs
    Well according to the government it is

    You are paying my wages you daft ****

  17. #167

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well according to the government it is

    You are paying my wages you daft ****
    Worth every penny if your mother is as belligerent and bitter as you are. I hope she makes your days endless and joyless.

  18. #168

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Worth every penny if your mother is as belligerent and bitter as you are. I hope she makes your days endless and joyless.
    Its not my fault your plaid arsewipes took a beating

    Dust yourself down

    Always another pop in 5 years

  19. #169

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Its not my fault your plaid arsewipes took a beating

    Dust yourself down

    Always another pop in 5 years
    North Wales is Tory. Shameless.

  20. #170

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    North Wales is Tory. Shameless.
    Wrexham Ain't

    Tidy little firm

  21. #171

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Wrexham Ain't

    Tidy little firm
    Always in Cardiff’s shadow

  22. #172

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Labour absolutely trounced everywhere except Wales.

  23. #173

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    How anyone normal person in the street can think that Tories will improve their lives is bewildering. Things don’t look good and Labour are promising to change more. But in what way? Do they mean opposition to Tories or chasing Tory votes? The latter isn’t going to work.
    Ben Houchen the Tory Mayor in Teeside seems to be doing a good job of improving lives at the moment.

    He won by 2,000 votes in 2017.

    He won by over 76,000 this year mainly it appear because he actually seems to get things done. And presumably changes lives in the process.

    Not just Tory mayors to be fair. Andy Burnham seemed to do an excellent job standing up for Manchester during the pandemic.

  24. #174

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    6000 majority for the tories

    Not only does starmer need to go , I think its the end of Labour

    Time for a left of centre party, Labour is done . I vote for them because I will never vote conservative but they are finished in my opinion
    A senior Labour source told Nick Watt on Newsnight that this was Boris's Falklands moment, They could see him going on and winning the next election which would mean Starmer going and the left taking over Labour again. which he reckoned would mean the end of the Labour Party

  25. #175

    Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    So if the what’s in it for me party has all this money to throw about, why the ten years of austerity which they, and plenty of others it would appear, have decided to forget about?
    AS Harold Wilson is often quoted as saying "A week is a long time in politics" BOb

    10 years is a Millenium!

    Politics have changed greatly since 2010 particularly in the last year. The Tory party had already started to say that we would not be returning to austerity and the pandemic has now accelerated this.

    I think it is now recognised that in an age of very low interest rate increasing the National Debt is not such a problem as it was when interest rates were higher. If I remember correctly back in 2010 when the Government embarked on its austerity program (which to be fair Labour were also going to do except we now of course have no idea whether it would have been as strict or lasted as long as the Tory version) the thought was that the low interest rates would soon start to go up making too large a National Debt an expensive proposition.

    Thus the plan was to decrease the annual deficit so as to make the debt growth smaller.

    The perceived wisdom now is that interest rates have remained low and are likely to do so for a while so we should take advantage of them and borrow more now.

    Also as Lord Finkelstein the Times columnist said the strength of the Conservative Party over the years is it ability to adapt itself to changing circumstances. Thus it sees no dichotomy in championing austerity 10 years ago and splashing the cash now.

    On the hand when Labour has to change course it is far more difficult for them to do

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