Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

****inell...

Give it up now.

corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

[Jordi Culé]

corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

Corbyn caused the death of the Labour Party?

As for Scotland when they deserted Labour in their droves where did they end up voting? What policies were the party attracting all these disillusioned Labour supporters advocating?

What was Labour representing at the time? Centre left politics again wasn't it?

This golden cow of politics you keep on banging on about and in reality only Blair has ever won with (open to debate whether he was centre left or a Tory but for debate reasons I'll let that slide).

Take your time with your reply.

I've got all day and you got a fair bit to mull over.

[goats]

Yeah reckon he did cause the death of them, looking from the outside. I fully admit I know little about any political stuff....

[J R Hartley]

He's having an absolute stinker. To use a football analogy, subbed after 30 minutes.

To ironic applause from the home crowd

[J R Hartley]

Sludge getting the type of hammering not seen in these parts since the visit of Maidstone United on NYD 1992

[Pearcey3]

For a start Labour are not dead. They are struggling. They were struggling before Corbyn became leader. At least in 2017 Corbyn’s Labour forced a hung Parliament.

The problem for Labour is not down to any one individual. It is a tale of two referenda.
In Scotland the 2014 Indy referendum resulted in a surge of Scottish Nationalism and it came at Labour’s expense with the SNP supplanting them as the main party whilst the Tories kept hold of the Unionist vote.

Then the 2016 EU Referendum left them in a very difficult position as a Remain party as much of their traditional support in the north wanted out of the EU
Brexit has then resulted in a surge of English nationalism which Johnson has taken advantage of. The Tories had no such problem because they were primarily a party that ended up supporting Leave which was supported by the vast majority of Tory voters.

So even though Cameron and the Tories handled both referenda very badly they got away with it. In that sense Labour have been a bit unlucky

[life on mars]

corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

Labour party demise Is deeper than those you speak of I think its traditional core voters no longer feel part of them , listening to ex voters on radio yesterday they feel they have moved away from them , they say Labour was thier vote and ticked them half hearted then something snapped :

Stuff like Brexit not accepting the vote.
Supports free movement
Hatred of Blairism and centrist politics
Salisbury poisoning reactions and initial doubts around Russian involvement.
Alleged antisemitism
Rightly or wrongly they are not deemed as patriotic.
Not Royalist enough.
Judgemental of leavers and working class views in areas like Hartlepool
Become strangely insular ( ie not for all people in UK )
Appear inner City focused which conflicts with lots of less wealthy parts of UK
Woke driven.
Anti Union Jack / white van ingerlander man .
Has become a middle class party .
Lack of new policies instead is just critical of others.

I also think they lack quality in depth on thier bench .

Wales is totally different, they despise anybody/thing Tory, even if they delivered a positive outcome , don't seem to want Independence , didn't like Europe, which privately I think pleases the Tories as long as they have some representation ( they don't need another SNP on their doorstep) .

It's very sad for Labour however it's been coming and the UK requires decent opposition.

I do hope they repair itself however it could be bloody .

Perhaps becoming a pro UK Green Socalist movement with dynamic policies ( not old left Socalist ones) may help ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Corbyn caused the death of the Labour Party?

As for Scotland when they deserted Labour in their droves where did they end up voting? What policies were the party attracting all these disillusioned Labour supporters advocating?

What was Labour representing at the time? Centre left politics again wasn't it?

This golden cow of politics you keep on banging on about and in reality only Blair has ever won with (open to debate whether he was centre left or a Tory but for debate reasons I'll let that slide).

Take your time with your reply.

I've got all day and you got a fair bit to mull over.

Blair was a realist until he let God talk him into an illegal war

Like it or not Labour needed to win the centre ground it had with him but they blew it by electing Ed milligan

Then came corbyn and he and momentum have flattened and killed the Labour party in England

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

To ironic applause from the home crowd

who are mostly educationally challenged to be fair

Not the sharpest on here

I can take a few seals clapping

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sludge getting the type of hammering not seen in these parts since the visit of Maidstone United on NYD 1992

You don't remember Cambridge United?

When did you stop supporting man u again ?

[life on mars]

Blair was a realist until he let God talk him into an illegal war

Like it or not Labour needed to win the centre ground it had with him but they blew it by electing Ed milligan

Then came corbyn and he and momentum have flattened and killed the Labour party in England

Ed of the left of his family didn't help matters needed a bright David to modernise the party .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ed of the left of his family didn't help matters needed a bright David to modernise the party .

of course we did , huge mistake appointing Ed, he was hopeless

Foot
Kinnock
Ed Milliband
Corbyn

Dreadful , these people were never going to sweep up that middle ground

Labour elected Blair who was like a breath of fresh air when he came in , then he went psychotic and everything unravelled

David Milliband would have made a good leader but he lost out then bottled out , floating around like a lonely turd

[Jordi Culé]

Blair was a realist until he let God talk him into an illegal war

Like it or not Labour needed to win the centre ground it had with him but they blew it by electing Ed milligan

Then came corbyn and he and momentum have flattened and killed the Labour party in England

This is a great reply, even for you.

You’ve called me a Tory in the past but see Blair as a realist? He was a Tory.

You say Corbyn and Momentum flattened the Labour Party? They tried clawing it back from the ‘right’. I’ll leave aside the concerted efforts to bring a Corbyn down by media and Starmer disciples as we could be here all day.

You’ve swerved the questions about Scotland.

Where did the disillusioned Labour supporters go to? The Tories, Lib Dem’s or somewhere with more left wing policies than Labour were offering at that time?

Have another think.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

This is a great reply, even for you.

You’ve called me a Tory in the past but see Blair as a realist? He was a Tory.

You say Corbyn and Momentum flattened the Labour Party? They tried clawing it back from the ‘right’. I’ll leave aside the concerted efforts to bring a Corbyn down by media and Starmer disciples as we could be here all day.

You’ve swerved the questions about Scotland.

Where did the disillusioned Labour supporters go to? The Tories, Lib Dem’s or somewhere with more left wing policies than Labour were offering at that time?

Have another think.

I hated Blair after his illegal war but he brought a middle ground party to uk politics for the first time since 1979

Its a generation

He failed on many levels but the NHS was improved as was education

Was he to the right of the Labour Party? Of course

But did Benn , Skinner , Abbott , Bernie Grant , Corbyn get some form of Labour party elected ?

Tony Benn is still up there in the sky telling us how great his policies are

Which is fine but in the world of modern politics does feck all to get you elected to implement any policies

Corbyn was an idiot who gave the right wing media all the ammo they needed to shoot him down . Diane Abbott on your front bench ff sake .He may as well have phoned Derek Hatton .

Throw in the bullying momentum and you give the daily mail everything it wants and needs to scare people

I swerve a lot of stuff as I simply can't be arsed , its blame everyone but ourselves nonsense

[Jordi Culé]

I hated Blair after his illegal war but he brought a middle ground party to uk politics for the first time since 1979

Its a generation

He failed on many levels but the NHS was improved as was education

Was he to the right of the Labour Party? Of course

But did Benn , Skinner , Abbott , Bernie Grant , Corbyn get some form of Labour party elected ?

Tony Benn is still up there in the sky telling us how great his policies are

Which is fine but in the world of modern politics does feck all to get you elected to implement any policies

Corbyn was an idiot who gave the right wing media all the ammo they needed to shoot him down . Diane Abbott on your front bench ff sake .He may as well have phoned Derek Hatton .

Throw in the bullying momentum and you give the daily mail everything it wants and needs to scare people

I swerve a lot of stuff as I simply can't be arsed , its blame everyone but ourselves nonsense

The last sentence. I'm fuucking howling here.

You're either done me like a kipper or you're lacking any self awareness.

If it's the former, well played handsome, if it's the latter, fuuck me silly.

[Hungry Blue]

Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying

“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.

“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote

[jon1959]

corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

You sometimes talk sense, Sludge.

But not this time.

The Labour Party in England is not dead - it is wounded and may need to change a lot to become electorally successful again.

Everyone involved shares some blame, but you are mostly looking in the wrong direction. Corbyn, Momentum etc are not responsible for the civil war that crippled Labour - they were the main targets.

[jon1959]

Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying

“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.

“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote

The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year have been running focus groups, blaming an ex leader and flying union flags whilst overseeing a campaign without policies, personality or direction, and achieving embarrassing failure.

[jon1959]

Keir Starmer has got a full grip on the problem and has the solutions too:

"Changing the things that need changing and that is the change that I will bring about."

[life on mars]

Keir Starmer has got a full grip on the problem and has the solutions too:

"Changing the things that need changing and that is the change that I will bring about."

Indeed does need more than that , I'm sure he has political advisors , perhaps he needs new ones?

[life on mars]

Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying

“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.

“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote

London-based bourgeoisie ,champagne socialist ,Islington Metropolitan Elite have been around for a Generation from Blair , Corbyn though to Sir Kier its turned the voter away .. Even exists in Wales .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You sometimes talk sense, Sludge.

But not this time.

The Labour Party in England is not dead - it is wounded and may need to change a lot to become electorally successful again.

Everyone involved shares some blame, but you are mostly looking in the wrong direction. Corbyn, Momentum etc are not responsible for the civil war that crippled Labour - they were the main targets.

Its over jon

There is no way back from this now

We have lost seats in working class towns like Bolsover, in towns in the mining and ship building areas of the North East

The local authority power base in the metropolitan areas and big cities is eroding

They ain't coming back

[Tuerto]

Keep standing on that box in queen Street in the rain with your momentum leaflets

It's all done online now Love...

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's all done online now Love...

What about the poor , those without Internet access etc ?

Ignore em ?

Not for me

[Tuerto]

What about the poor , those without Internet access etc ?

Ignore em ?

Not for me

You just carry on endorsing a Tory lite Labour Party, Hun, Most of the problems with addiction, Depression, Homeless etc are caused through cuts in services, something your beloved Centrist crew would undoubtedly continue. You're part of the problem me old lover...