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of course we did , huge mistake appointing Ed, he was hopelessOriginally Posted by life on mars
Foot
Kinnock
Ed Milliband
Corbyn
Dreadful , these people were never going to sweep up that middle ground
Labour elected Blair who was like a breath of fresh air when he came in , then he went psychotic and everything unravelled
David Milliband would have made a good leader but he lost out then bottled out , floating around like a lonely turd
I hated Blair after his illegal war but he brought a middle ground party to uk politics for the first time since 1979
Its a generation
He failed on many levels but the NHS was improved as was education
Was he to the right of the Labour Party? Of course
But did Benn , Skinner , Abbott , Bernie Grant , Corbyn get some form of Labour party elected ?
Tony Benn is still up there in the sky telling us how great his policies are
Which is fine but in the world of modern politics does feck all to get you elected to implement any policies
Corbyn was an idiot who gave the right wing media all the ammo they needed to shoot him down . Diane Abbott on your front bench ff sake .He may as well have phoned Derek Hatton .
Throw in the bullying momentum and you give the daily mail everything it wants and needs to scare people
I swerve a lot of stuff as I simply can't be arsed , its blame everyone but ourselves nonsense
The last sentence. I'm fuucking howling here.
You're either done me like a kipper or you're lacking any self awareness.
If it's the former, well played handsome, if it's the latter, fuuck me silly.
Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying
“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.
“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.
“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote
The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year have been running focus groups, blaming an ex leader and flying union flags whilst overseeing a campaign without policies, personality or direction, and achieving embarrassing failure.
Keir Starmer has got a full grip on the problem and has the solutions too:
"Changing the things that need changing and that is the change that I will bring about."
Indeed does need more than that , I'm sure he has political advisors , perhaps he needs new ones?
London-based bourgeoisie ,champagne socialist ,Islington Metropolitan Elite have been around for a Generation from Blair , Corbyn though to Sir Kier its turned the voter away .. Even exists in Wales .
Its over jon
There is no way back from this now
We have lost seats in working class towns like Bolsover, in towns in the mining and ship building areas of the North East
The local authority power base in the metropolitan areas and big cities is eroding
They ain't coming back
What about the poor , those without Internet access etc ?
Ignore em ?
Not for me
You just carry on endorsing a Tory lite Labour Party, Hun, Most of the problems with addiction, Depression, Homeless etc are caused through cuts in services, something your beloved Centrist crew would undoubtedly continue. You're part of the problem me old lover...
Can you tell me how living in tooting in 1977 , shouting power to the people but not actually getting any power to do anything about it is going to help addiction , mental ill health etc ?
I mean having a good old meeting of the socialist workers student society round your house is a good laugh but it doesn't win you elections . Moving to the centre is not the end of civilisation as long as social policy is paramout .
Its 2021 , this country has always been to right with a small c , those of us who can't stand the conservatives have to lower our expectations and try and get what we can
Or forever be shouting from the sidelines in opposition
Electoral reform and a centre left rainbow alliance is the way to defeat the blue machine
Like it or get off the bus
I love the way you portray me. I was in business for 22 years, a sole trader who employed 1 person. Lower Taxation and less regulation would've suited me down to the ground. I grafted, all over the UK. A Tory government wouldn't have hurt my pocket. It's not about that though, is it?
Under this Government taxation is at its highest since 1964 [ 1950's if you include VAT]
Labour have won the mayor position in West of England and Cambridgeshire and Peterborough. Labour have an issue with northern English towns but are growing stronger in cities and in the south of England.
Is that where the young have migrated to because it's where the majority of jobs are following Blair's globalization and then Tory austerity targeting northern England/Labour heartlands?
you are absolutely spot on here Sludge. The UK is predominantly centre right, and hasn't had a left wing government in nearly 50 years. Some people on the left are so deluded. It is better to have a centre left in strength than a weak left wing.
That is a very important point look at the last eleven elections for Labour and you will only find 3 wins under the name of Blair who drove the party to the middle ground and won 3 time one a huge landslide , I know it doesn't fit nicely with some Labour voters I wonder how big the majority would have been in December with Boris v Blair clash or Boris v David Miliband .
Wales need to be careful though success yes, however Tories did gain more seats , if they apply the tactics they have up in NE England it could change
Party in government always ends up stealing best ideas of the opposition. Economically, Boris' 2019 manifesto was closer to Ed Milliband in 2010's than it was David Cameron/George Osbourne.
Does that mean UK is centre-left just 10 years too late for Labour to win votes?
Or better still to introduce a political system which allows politicians to be themselves, display their values to the electorate and gain votes based on that position rather than what we have now. FPTP is so anti-democratic that it isn't even funny to watch anymore. I would take the repugnant prospect of a handful of mental BNP types included in a truly representative parliament over different shades of lying that we have now.
Starmer is getting hammered for doing what has won the Tories the last 2 elections - no policy detail, just vague statements. It's genius spin from the Tories (as usual, adopted readily by a friendly press and pushed down every orifice). Labour now have to risk pissing people off by saying what they will do.
Long Corbyn....
ITV news interviewed voters in Hartlepool on why they voted Conservative.
Cuts in local authority services were blamed on the Labour council rather than 10 years of Tory austerity.
Etonian toff and Bullingdon club member Boris Johnson was described by a woman as probably more of a North East type of person so you could relate to him.
The Tories know if you cloak your policies in the Union Jack you can persuade the many to vote in favour of the few. They must wake up every morning shaking their heads at how they get away with it.
Yesterday:
Sir Kier Starmer takes full responsibility for Labours poor election results
Today:
Angela Raynor sacked as Labour Party Chair and National Campaign Coordinator.
Not sure this will end well
He's not going to sack himself, is heWishful thinking...
Hang on, someone to.d me earlier it was Corbyns fault they lost Hartlepool?He's not going to sack himself, is he
Can someone as Sir Keir or Sludge what the fuuck is going on?
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