That's right. I believe that, generally, the football under McCarthy has been as poor as it was under Harris rather than much better. But that's just an opinion.Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
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That's right. I believe that, generally, the football under McCarthy has been as poor as it was under Harris rather than much better. But that's just an opinion.
Very true.That's right. I believe that, generally, the football under McCarthy has been as poor as it was under Harris rather than much better. But that's just an opinion.
MM is a much better manager than Harris but he has always had the reputation as a pragmatist who is more then happy to play a dour brand of football if it is more likely to bring success. Personally I prefer dour winning football than pretty losing football when it comes to Cardiff. Who remembers Kenny Hibbit? I remember when he managed Walsall they always played some great passing football but we usually beat them. Then he came to us and we played some good passing football and usually lost.
MM will have to do well on the transfer market next season as I don't think he will have any money to spend unless Norwich give us £7 million for Will Vaulks and I can't see it happening.
I think that it needs to be picked apart a little more. Both Managers have served up some dreadful stuff, that's for sure, but in their own unique way. Harris' style of play was more methodical in approach, MM's style is quicker, more urgent and more physical. What we saw under Harris was players who lacked confidence, belief and they didn't want to take responsibility, certainly towards the end of his stewardship. Mistakes crept in, basic errors and a lack of urgency. In my opinion, City fans as a unit will tolerate work rate over quality and urgency over a more methodical approach, even if it's poor. MM's style is that, which will afford him more time, even if it is dreadful at times and even less concentrated on possession than Harris was.
Look how Slade was ripped, he had hardly any personal backing from the fans, because of the style of play. Again, slow, boring, methodical etc, same with Harris. Yet MM's football is much more agriculture, it just has more urgency, players work harder, same as Warnock to a degree. For that reason, MM will be afforded more time and less criticism, certainly seems the case with our fans.
I have to add Personality and Character as well. Slade was like an Insurance salesman and Harris seemed like he was auditioning for a part in 'The Office' MM and Warnock are better at ingratiating themselves to football supporters like ours, they both speak our 'Language' Although in the case of Warnock, he's a self serving phoney, MM seems genuine.
i think a judgment of a manager is employment, MM very rarely out of work, NH still unemplyed as a manager....says it all for me.
Mick was sacked from his last job in Cyprus before his factor 50 had finished drying into the skin.
The football under McCarthy..... hasn't been all that different than that played under his predecessor. McCarthy's reign has almost mirrored Harris' - they both turned around a failing side, and both had a good run that took us to the play-offs (nearly, for MM). Whether or not McCarthy can push on, and achieve more next season, remains to be seen.
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The only improvement we've seen under MM is that the players seem to be more interested in playing. The quality of football is practically unchanged. Although we have had moments. But then we looked OK under Harris at times too. All in all, it's more of the same. And right now, I don't expect any improvement next season. We'll see.
The only break ill give Mick is hes tried to use the wing back system and hes been unfortunate to lose both LWBs.
Yesterday's 1st half display was terrible.
In terms of being dispossessed, unsuccessful touches and inaccurate short passes, Murphy's stats are better than most of our attacking players, in that he loses or gives away the ball less often than most of our attackers.
Xg stats wise I think we've been slightly worse under McCarthy than we were under Harris - but I think that could be down to the fact that we let in sloppy early goals under Harris so often and then had to chase the game - and sides chasing the game often have better stats. We seem to have improved in that area.
I like the switch to 3-4-3 (or variants thereof) More so if we commit to an attacking version of it, playing the ball out from the back and getting the wingbacks into attacking positions.
I like the fact that we are bringing through youth players (in fairness Bagan and Harris were played under the other Harris).
I'm slightly concerned about recruitment - we seemed to be moving towards a good place, buying Ng, Watters and the player from Bournemouth we were linked with under Harris.
Now under McCarthy we've signed Williams (who I don't mind) and linked with a bunch of old warhorses.
Football style wise we have had three managers that have served up some absolute bore fests over the years.
Our last three managers are not too concerned about having the ball more than opposition or playing any entertaining football when we have it.
Our only hope now is that the brains trust at City strike it lucky with their next appointment because they don't seem to put much thought into their managerial appointments.
I would agree that the style isn't important for most as long as the team's winning, but how much of that we'll do this season I'm not sure.
Teams seem to have worked it out. Stop the crosses coming in (we're not great at crossing anyway) and move the ball quickly and you'll beat us.
You might be right, but I also think a number of players are out of form at the moment. When that happens, the football goes from mostly dire to utterly abysmal.
8th game of the season and we are setting up at home to try and grind out a draw or if lucky score from a set piece!! It was hard enough to watch it in Premier but we are in the Championship now !!
I can't understand this argument. As long as we win the football we play doesn't matter, it isn't important. Do we really win thay many games and have such success with it then?
Why not enjoy something easier on the eye? We're never gonna be world beaters however we play so why accept shit football just because we win a game every now and again playing it? Wouldn't you rather be entertained on your visits to the club?
That's exactly my point. I don't think we are going to win a lot playing shit football because opponents know how to counter it.
So, fans who accept our dire style when we have some success with it will no longer accept it.
We need to do something different - hopefully something more attractive.
Undoubtedly a better team than us but we set out to frustrate Bournemouth at homethis is supposed to be the championship where all can be beaten.
You could see that from the team and shape and the fact we had next to nothing going forward until the last 10 where for some reason Bournemouth started to panic when really there was no need.
It’s not exactly conducive to keeping Kieffer either. Decent players (that we can afford) are going to want to play elsewhere.
As soon as you see Brown as a right wing back you have to wonder unless we fill the forward areas which we can't and dont. Harris offers little and we have no pace.
Bournemouth have been a top flight team for several seasons
They are clearly a better footballing team than us and many other sides I this division
I mean if people think we can out fox teams like Bournemouth they need a reality check
We are a big physical side and that's the way it is at the moment
It's Bournemouth not Man City. We can afford to show a little bit of intent.
I'm not bothered if we lose as long as we try and take the game to the opposition, there isn't a single side in this division we should be scared of.
It's Bournemouth, who finished sixth last season (behind Barnsley and the Jacks) and who have lost their first-choice goalkeeper and their top scorer during the summer.
They are magnificent though, according to Mick McCarthy:
"Bournemouth are an almost perfect Championship team. They’re athletic and they have good footballers, they’re big and powerful and they can play so it was always going to be a tough one for us. For 55 minutes I was delighted with how we did, we set up to frustrate them. We blinked once, they played through us and we’ve been done."
This is the Bournemouth side who drew 0-0 at Hull in their last away game.
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