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    off-topic - MacBook V PC Laptop

    So need some advice..

    I have always had laptops my entire life, I move around a bit and often work abroad, so picking up and taking my laptop along is always what I have done.

    I have grown frustrated recently with paying £500-£600 for a generic mid-range laptop, and after 3 years it starting to fail, it seems 'rot' with laptops is common (generally slowing and breaking down within the 3-5 year mark)

    After speaking to a friend he swears by Macbook Laptops, said his is 7 years old and as good as it was on day one, other people have said similar about their longevity and build quality.

    Now while I spend lots of time on my laptop 3-5 hours a day, I do not actually do much of anything of significance, mainly watch youtube videos, stream live sport on sky go, Cardiff games on city player, I use Microsoft Word a lot for work, and then generally just check my e-mails and post on here.

    I have stayed away from chromebooks, because I do often plug my HDMI from laptop to my TV to stream movies or live sport, and I find you do need a fairly 'powerful' laptop to stream live tv constantly.

    Anyway

    Today I bought a MacBook Pro from apple in Cardiff, while it is 100% more powerful than I require for my needs, I have never been afraid to pay for quality, and if it lasts two cycles of my generic HP/Dell purchase then it pays for it's self.

    However I am really not enjoying the operating system, I have no interest in all their pre-loaded apps, and it took me a while to figure out how to download chrome on it and it is not as simple as using it on Microsoft.

    copying my old files and photos over does not seem like it is going to be simple, and I haven't even tried downloading word yet.

    I have 14 days to return, and I am considering it after one day, should I stick it out, or have I made a mistake with this purchase?

    thanks.

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    I found the Mac difficult to start nut have Parallels and Windows installed to run some work programs on MsAccess. Best of both. You really need 512 hard disk to do it though

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    Send it back mate. Youíve bought an Aston Martin to do the school run.

    Iíve got pretty much everything Apple and whilst it is perfectly fine , I really donít use it to its potential.

    Have a look at the google chrome book go. You can get an adapter to plug hdmi Into. I believe you can get Word on there too.

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    I'd simply replace the SSD hard drive on the old laptop.

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    Thanks for replies so far, I have spent more time with it this morning, and I have already become much more confident the the OS, I have downloaded all the apps and software I am familiar with and it had made the experience better.

    I do agree with it being too much for my needs, and it is only going to get more pricey as I am looking to buy extras like monitor mouse and keyboard.

    I still keep trying to justify it with the potential longevity, but when I can buy 3 laptops with the price I have spent to far! It makes it hard.

    I think I will give myself 7 days and then decide

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    You don't need to take it back, you just need to get used to it. It'll last you forever

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    I bought a really cheap laptop, about £220 quid just to plug into my TV to watch sport mainly Cardiff matches on I follow and use my I pad for everything else. Suggest persevering with the Mac while still using the laptop for everything else.

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    I don't like Apple stuff, I find the interface too restrictive and frustrating.

    If you don't get on with it then I would get rid as that's most of what you're paying for.

    If you have everything apple it makes more sense but individual devices aren't worth it IMO.

    There is an additional downside that if you do get used to it then you run the risk of becoming on of those tedious apple fanboys.

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    as a side note, most chromebooks have a mini HDMI port now, I often watch a stream on my daughters CB plugged into the TV, my own CB is so old it doesnt even have the google play / app store on it ( still does all i need it for, The net and my work doc's )

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    another point of note, and ive been looking at them as my oldest is going to Uni in Sept, Im not really into Macbook's, so please let me know you opinion on the below if you are

    people say the macbook pro goes on forever, so here we have a 2015, 8 gig, 128 gig SDD, 12 months warranty for £440 ( the price of a just above entry level Win Laptop

    so this macbook pro will go forever, so shouldnt that be the one to purchase

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    They do last a long time thatís very true. I had a MacBook Pro last for 8 years and still sold it for a reasonable amount.

    Currently have a 2018 MacBook Air which does everything I need.

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    I own three MacBooks. But I didn't buy any of them new and I never would. If you're a PC guy, there's no reason whatsoever to buy one. I'm typing this on a late 2013, 13 inch, running an OS from 2018. It really is on its last legs. If the battery runs out I have to take the back off the computer and reset it. I basically have to leave it plugged in all the time.

    If you really want a MacBook, buy a refurbished one.

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    whats the verdict on apple v android in general ?

    My mate swears by apple

    My other mate hates it and has android Samsung phone , tablet, chrome book etc

    Says he prefers the way android chrome , Google etc work

    I certainly prefer Google to Safari search

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    You don't need to take it back, you just need to get used to it. It'll last you forever
    No, it absolutely will not. Built-in obsolescence is part of Apple's business model.

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    first line say's it all. paying £300-£400 laptops you see in currys is the issue, designed to get you and last 2-3 years. no good. you need to look at high spec better made laptops.

    People who tend to by MAC's dont have a clue how to use them or use them to thier potential, they just want the apple logo and a 'look at me' device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    another point of note, and ive been looking at them as my oldest is going to Uni in Sept, Im not really into Macbook's, so please let me know you opinion on the below if you are

    people say the macbook pro goes on forever, so here we have a 2015, 8 gig, 128 gig SDD, 12 months warranty for £440 ( the price of a just above entry level Win Laptop

    so this macbook pro will go forever, so shouldnt that be the one to purchase
    I use Macs & PCs every day for game development projects so have a fair bit of experience using this kit. The Macbook Pro 2015 is a really good laptop at the spec you've just mentioned and is priced about right at £440 with a 12 month warranty. It's an intel chip so will run Windows 10 via Bootcamp (which means you can run MacOS and Windows dual boot from the same machine) effectively giving you 2 laptops for the price of one (be aware that will half your SSD capacity though - but you can also boot from an external SSD via Thunderbolt 2 which means you can up-spec the machine if needed).

    It'll run Big Sur (latest MacOS) really well which makes it as good as a current 2020-21 model.

    It will even run an external eGPU (Radeon graphics card) if you needed to run 3D software in the future (though Apple will say it can't but if you need to I can explain how it's done).

    I've still got a 2015 and it's a real workhorse. I run Macs until they drop and I've yet to have one give out. All PC laptops I've ever owned and used eventually give up - compare that to a 2009 Macbook Pro I have that's still running (admittedly it's now a basic laptop but it still works).

    As someone else has mentioned, low-end PC laptops are a waste of time IMO. I'd go with the Macbook Pro 2015 before a new Windows laptop.

    To the OP, sounds like you don't need that kind of power so I'd return it and buy a refurbished Macbook Pro/Air (for a third of the price) as suggested by NYCBlue. It'll come with 12 months warranty and you can find them on Amazon (so you get Amazon's return policy too - I've had a Graphics Card recently refunded that gave up just before its 12-month warranty - so they can be really helpful).

    Another thing that's worth noting is if you've bought the new MBP with the Apple chip it WON'T be able to dual-boot into Windows 10 - only the older Macs with intel chips will do this. This is important.

    To anyone else considering a Mac - buy anything from 2020 but no older than 2015 (for lots of reasons but I really can't write anymore).

    Hope this helps. I'm happy to answer any Qs if needed so feel free to ask.

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    Re: off-topic - MacBook V PC Laptop

    Quote Originally Posted by chris lee View Post
    So need some advice..

    I have always had laptops my entire life, I move around a bit and often work abroad, so picking up and taking my laptop along is always what I have done.

    I have grown frustrated recently with paying £500-£600 for a generic mid-range laptop, and after 3 years it starting to fail, it seems 'rot' with laptops is common (generally slowing and breaking down within the 3-5 year mark)

    After speaking to a friend he swears by Macbook Laptops, said his is 7 years old and as good as it was on day one, other people have said similar about their longevity and build quality.

    Now while I spend lots of time on my laptop 3-5 hours a day, I do not actually do much of anything of significance, mainly watch youtube videos, stream live sport on sky go, Cardiff games on city player, I use Microsoft Word a lot for work, and then generally just check my e-mails and post on here.

    I have stayed away from chromebooks, because I do often plug my HDMI from laptop to my TV to stream movies or live sport, and I find you do need a fairly 'powerful' laptop to stream live tv constantly.

    Anyway

    Today I bought a MacBook Pro from apple in Cardiff, while it is 100% more powerful than I require for my needs, I have never been afraid to pay for quality, and if it lasts two cycles of my generic HP/Dell purchase then it pays for it's self.

    However I am really not enjoying the operating system, I have no interest in all their pre-loaded apps, and it took me a while to figure out how to download chrome on it and it is not as simple as using it on Microsoft.

    copying my old files and photos over does not seem like it is going to be simple, and I haven't even tried downloading word yet.

    I have 14 days to return, and I am considering it after one day, should I stick it out, or have I made a mistake with this purchase?

    thanks.

    I have always worked for software companies (even pre-Windows - I am THAT old) including Microsoft, and always used a Windows laptop until about 4 years ago.

    I then switched to a Mac and wouldn't willingly go back. In fact all of our machines at home and all my boys' laptops are now Macs, having previously been Windows machines.

    Stick with it, would be my recommendation. The advantages will become more and more apparent over time (I initially struggled).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    whats the verdict on apple v android in general ?

    My mate swears by apple

    My other mate hates it and has android Samsung phone , tablet, chrome book etc

    Says he prefers the way android chrome , Google etc work

    I certainly prefer Google to Safari search
    Safari isn’t a search engine, better than google is DuckDuckGo

    Apple Mac’s and MacBooks are far superior to Windows any day of the week. And so much easier to use when you get used to them

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    Re: off-topic - MacBook V PC Laptop

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I use Macs & PCs every day for game development projects so have a fair bit of experience using this kit. The Macbook Pro 2015 is a really good laptop at the spec you've just mentioned and is priced about right at £440 with a 12 month warranty. It's an intel chip so will run Windows 10 via Bootcamp (which means you can run MacOS and Windows dual boot from the same machine) effectively giving you 2 laptops for the price of one (be aware that will half your SSD capacity though - but you can also boot from an external SSD via Thunderbolt 2 which means you can up-spec the machine if needed).

    It'll run Big Sur (latest MacOS) really well which makes it as good as a current 2020-21 model.

    It will even run an external eGPU (Radeon graphics card) if you needed to run 3D software in the future (though Apple will say it can't but if you need to I can explain how it's done).

    I've still got a 2015 and it's a real workhorse. I run Macs until they drop and I've yet to have one give out. All PC laptops I've ever owned and used eventually give up - compare that to a 2009 Macbook Pro I have that's still running (admittedly it's now a basic laptop but it still works).

    As someone else has mentioned, low-end PC laptops are a waste of time IMO. I'd go with the Macbook Pro 2015 before a new Windows laptop.

    To the OP, sounds like you don't need that kind of power so I'd return it and buy a refurbished Macbook Pro/Air (for a third of the price) as suggested by NYCBlue. It'll come with 12 months warranty and you can find them on Amazon (so you get Amazon's return policy too - I've had a Graphics Card recently refunded that gave up just before its 12-month warranty - so they can be really helpful).

    Another thing that's worth noting is if you've bought the new MBP with the Apple chip it WON'T be able to dual-boot into Windows 10 - only the older Macs with intel chips will do this. This is important.

    To anyone else considering a Mac - buy anything from 2020 but no older than 2015 (for lots of reasons but I really can't write anymore).

    Hope this helps. I'm happy to answer any Qs if needed so feel free to ask.
    thanks

    I love my Chromebook, its a great bit of kit, spending £1500 - £2300 on a new macbook pro just seems alot of money, imho the best option for my daughter ( going to uni ) looks like the 2015 macbook pro and maybe upgrade the SDD ( which i am comfortable with doing on a win Laptop, so i guess the MBP is similar ), she isnt really into having the " latest and greatest " tech stuff, she still has a iphone 7

    Whats the score with External Screens ? ? ? ? as a nice 29" screen would be great to work with

    Of course she could take her old Win10 HP stream laptop ( but it really does struggle with the 32 gig SDD and does slow right down when it updates win 10 ) , but thats not going to make doing course work / assignments much fun

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