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    Palestine Israel

    Iíll admit I donít have enough knowledge of the subject to fully back up my thoughts but what Israel is doing to Palestine, on the face of it is bloody awful.

    It does seem to me that the Palestinianís donít help themselves by sparking some tensions but Israel do look like bully boys.

    I donít understand how the world leaders are not issuing comments or sanctions as they would if it was another country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Iíll admit I donít have enough knowledge of the subject to fully back up my thoughts but what Israel is doing to Palestine, on the face of it is bloody awful.

    It does seem to me that the Palestinianís donít help themselves by sparking some tensions but Israel do look like bully boys.

    I donít understand how the world leaders are not issuing comments or sanctions as they would if it was another country.
    Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your back

    Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs

    I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden

    And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched

    Which is exactly what is happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your back

    Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs

    I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden

    And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched

    Which is exactly what is happening
    Are you going to ignore the Arabs invading Israel twice ?

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Are you going to ignore the Arabs invading Israel twice ?
    Read a ****ing book. Israel in an idea. A very bad one. It's Arab territory. The state of Israel was under consideration to be in Australia. It should be in Poland/Germany. Israel was created in 1948 and has been in conflict ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Read a ****ing book. Israel in an idea. A very bad one. It's Arab territory. The state of Israel was under consideration to be in Australia. It should be in Poland/Germany. Israel was created in 1948 and has been in conflict ever since.
    He knows all of this. Palestine was actually invaded by Arabs before Israel was.

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Iíll admit I donít have enough knowledge of the subject to fully back up my thoughts but what Israel is doing to Palestine, on the face of it is bloody awful.

    It does seem to me that the Palestinianís donít help themselves by sparking some tensions but Israel do look like bully boys.

    I donít understand how the world leaders are not issuing comments or sanctions as they would if it was another country.
    As long as the USA finances, arms and uses Israel as its middle east proxy state, and (often with the UK and some major EU countries) provides diplomatic and UN veto cover for every breach of international law (which happens constantly) then any Israeli government has a 'get out of gaol free' card.

    Biden has changed the language from the stuff we got from Trump, but in practical terms he is continuing the traditional US role:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...us-on-conflict

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Churchill has so many things to answer for. The Balkans and the Middle East are but two major ongoing disasters of his model of diplomacy.

    It all started when he was secretary of state for the colonies in 1921and his machinations went on for the next 26 years

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...le-east-legacy

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement

    And 100 years later itís still fkd

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Read a ****ing book. Israel in an idea. A very bad one. It's Arab territory. The state of Israel was under consideration to be in Australia. It should be in Poland/Germany. Israel was created in 1948 and has been in conflict ever since.
    Aren't all countries an idea?

    As for Israel, the Jews beliefe it to be their homeland, so I guess Australia was a non starter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He knows all of this. Palestine was actually invaded by Arabs before Israel was.
    Israel and Palestine are pretty much cotermimous, certainly historically

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    It's terrible, downright upsetting even!

    There is absolutely no reason why these families are being killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Are you going to ignore the Arabs invading Israel twice ?
    Israel was stupidly created in the middle of Arab land . They have been expanding ever since . Of course the arabs are going to strike back . I would .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    Aren't all countries an idea?

    As for Israel, the Jews beliefe it to be their homeland, so I guess Australia was a non starter
    And this is why religious beliefs are so utterly stupid and causes so much hassle

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    [QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5192063]Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your back

    Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs

    I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden

    And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched

    Which is exactly what is happening[/QUOT


    Would you fire 1, 500 rockets at the neighbours though knowing what the response would be to the innocent civilians living around the launch sites ??

    Who funds this stuff ??

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    [QUOTE=life on mars;5192113]
    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your back

    Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs

    I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden

    And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched

    Which is exactly what is happening[/QUOT


    Would you fire 1, 500 rockets at the neighbours though knowing what the response would be to the innocent civilians living around the launch sites ??

    Who funds this stuff ??
    What else can they do ?

    Go on a 3 day week ?

    We can't help them , we are too busy selling bombs to Saudi Arabia

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    [QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5192114]
    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post

    What else can they do ?

    Go on a 3 day week ?

    We can't help them , we are too busy selling bombs to Saudi Arabia
    It smells of two sides with weak governments , Abbas Fatah party of Palestinian needs to allow for a democratic election he won't because of state sponsored Hamas don't get on withing Palestine , Abas is seen as weak as Hamas are seen as strong as they fire thousands of rockets , whilst Israel cannot reach a majority government after many elections, so both countries are at war within its boundaries and outside , its a mess however no amount of rockets will fix this, on top of all this is the hatred of Israel of others such Iran and Syria who want them eradicated and destroyed, sadly no one will yield.

    Strange stance by Joe Biden on this one, 🤔 the alleged sensible party in the USA, must be worrying about votes.

    You have to feel for the Palestinians , caught up in this, living In poverty ,whoever funds these rocket's should also help feed the starving as well.

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    It's a horrible situation.

    If you defend the Palestinians you are accused of being anti-Semitic whereas if you defend Israel you're accused of being a Zionist. It's a no win situation.

    Personally I have no issues with the existence of Israel, but their behaviour and outright murderous actions towards the Palestinians is a disgrace and the international community should make them accountable and even force them to return land that has been illegally taken form Palestinians. Israel continues to break international law while many countries continue to supply them with endless amounts of undesignated funds. The Palestinians live in appalling conditions and levels of daily hate and persecution towards them by the Israeli authorities is disgusting and inhumane. No wonder young men are gonna get pissed off and fight back... seeing lack of jobs, health, education and daily persecution towards themselves and their families.

    Saying that, Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations have done the people of Palestine no favours at all. Hamas put people at risk and use human shields. The surrounding Arab nations stand by watching, without supporting Palestinians with health, education and infrastructure, as it suits their agenda to keep them poor and angry towards Israel.

    It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination. Israel are bullies who cry foul when get hit back.

    A two state solution is the only answer. Palestine must be recognised as a sovereign state and therefore gain the recognition and resources needed to improve life for their citizens. I fear Hamas and Israel would never make the necessary compromises needed for that to happen.

    A terrible situation.

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    It's a horrible situation.

    If you defend the Palestinians you are accused of being anti-Semitic whereas if you defend Israel you're accused of being a Zionist. It's a no win situation.

    Personally I have no issues with the existence of Israel, but their behaviour and outright murderous actions towards the Palestinians is a disgrace and the international community should make them accountable and even force them to return land that has been illegally taken form Palestinians. Israel continues to break international law while many countries continue to supply them with endless amounts of undesignated funds. The Palestinians live in appalling conditions and levels of daily hate and persecution towards them by the Israeli authorities is disgusting and inhumane. No wonder young men are gonna get pissed off and fight back... seeing lack of jobs, health, education and daily persecution towards themselves and their families.

    Saying that, Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations have done the people of Palestine no favours at all. Hamas put people at risk and use human shields. The surrounding Arab nations stand by watching, without supporting Palestinians with health, education and infrastructure, as it suits their agenda to keep them poor and angry towards Israel.

    It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination. Israel are bullies who cry foul when get hit back.

    A two state solution is the only answer. Palestine must be recognised as a sovereign state and therefore gain the recognition and resources needed to improve life for their citizens. I fear Hamas and Israel would never make the necessary compromises needed for that to happen.

    A terrible situation.
    Its not going to happen

    Its an abyss

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    It's a horrible situation.

    If you defend the Palestinians you are accused of being anti-Semitic whereas if you defend Israel you're accused of being a Zionist. It's a no win situation.

    Personally I have no issues with the existence of Israel, but their behaviour and outright murderous actions towards the Palestinians is a disgrace and the international community should make them accountable and even force them to return land that has been illegally taken form Palestinians. Israel continues to break international law while many countries continue to supply them with endless amounts of undesignated funds. The Palestinians live in appalling conditions and levels of daily hate and persecution towards them by the Israeli authorities is disgusting and inhumane. No wonder young men are gonna get pissed off and fight back... seeing lack of jobs, health, education and daily persecution towards themselves and their families.

    Saying that, Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations have done the people of Palestine no favours at all. Hamas put people at risk and use human shields. The surrounding Arab nations stand by watching, without supporting Palestinians with health, education and infrastructure, as it suits their agenda to keep them poor and angry towards Israel.

    It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination. Israel are bullies who cry foul when get hit back.

    A two state solution is the only answer. Palestine must be recognised as a sovereign state and therefore gain the recognition and resources needed to improve life for their citizens. I fear Hamas and Israel would never make the necessary compromises needed for that to happen.

    A terrible situation.
    I’ve never really met many Israelis, but when I was travelling around India 15 yrs ago I met a few. They barely stray from their own kind and didn’t mix with us much. Of the few conversations about what’s going on now most seemed adamant about the land they already had and a couple said they needed to take out the Gaza Strip to rid it of hamas. Looks like that could happen now. I think it’s like Spain to them, they all go particularly after the two years national service they have to do. Strange folks but some stunning ladies amongst them.

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird View Post
    It's a horrible situation.

    If you defend the Palestinians you are accused of being anti-Semitic whereas if you defend Israel you're accused of being a Zionist. It's a no win situation.

    Personally I have no issues with the existence of Israel, but their behaviour and outright murderous actions towards the Palestinians is a disgrace and the international community should make them accountable and even force them to return land that has been illegally taken form Palestinians. Israel continues to break international law while many countries continue to supply them with endless amounts of undesignated funds. The Palestinians live in appalling conditions and levels of daily hate and persecution towards them by the Israeli authorities is disgusting and inhumane. No wonder young men are gonna get pissed off and fight back... seeing lack of jobs, health, education and daily persecution towards themselves and their families.

    Saying that, Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations have done the people of Palestine no favours at all. Hamas put people at risk and use human shields. The surrounding Arab nations stand by watching, without supporting Palestinians with health, education and infrastructure, as it suits their agenda to keep them poor and angry towards Israel.

    It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination. Israel are bullies who cry foul when get hit back.

    A two state solution is the only answer. Palestine must be recognised as a sovereign state and therefore gain the recognition and resources needed to improve life for their citizens. I fear Hamas and Israel would never make the necessary compromises needed for that to happen.

    A terrible situation.
    The other problem is Hamas controls Gaza in the name of Palestinians and Fatah in the West Bank creating almost to Palestinians .

    A lot of Israelis and Palestinians are in favour of a two state system it's other forces stopping this, there is evil on both sides with Israel force definitely disproportionate, however what do you do if someone fires thousands of rockets at you and wants your existence banished .

    We know where Israel arms wealth comes from , were not 100% sure where Hamas wealth comes from , we can guess its not a friend of the jew ??

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The other problem is Hamas controls Gaza in the name of Palestinians and Fatah in the West Bank creating almost to Palestinians .

    A lot of Israelis and Palestinians are in favour of a two state system it's other forces stopping this, there is evil on both sides with Israel force definitely disproportionate, however what do you do if someone fires thousands of rockets at you and wants your existence banished .

    We know where Israel arms wealth comes from , were not 100% sure where Hamas wealth comes from , we can guess its not a friend of the jew ??
    Iran?

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