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Thread: Palestine Israel

  1. #401

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    1. Faith (NOT Religion) and who we trust isn't a state matter, and nobody on this thread suggested otherwise. We will be judged as individuals, it will have nothing to do with which country or postcode we were born in.

    2. There has never in history been a state, county or country where everyone had an identical faith.

    3. The promise to the Jews re the Land, was made to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not just to those who shared and practiced the faith of those guys.

    4. The Promise of the scope of the Land didn't say that they would see 100% of the occupants of that land as people who shared their faith or even their bloodline. It was the fact that they would own the land and rule over it having respect for others who also live in that land. Israel is presently doing this (in a much smaller piece of land than God has ultimately given them), with Arabs living in Israel and owning their own businesses.
    Unfortunately it is a state matter in England and Israel and that is why the way both those places are run is backward.

  2. #402

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    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Unfortunately it is a state matter in England and Israel and that is why the way both those places are run is backward.
    That's a very vague statement?
    Please give an example re England to make your point, thanks

  3. #403

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    That's a very vague statement?
    Please give an example re England to make your point, thanks
    Only a Church of England adherent can be Monarch of the UK state and out in Israel although a fifth of the population are Arabs Arabic has been demoted from one of the official languages of the country alongside Hebrew due to the nation-state bill which states that Israel is “the national home of the Jewish people".

    Very backward looking places are England and Israel.

  4. #404

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Only a Church of England adherent can be Monarch of the UK state and out in Israel although a fifth of the population are Arabs Arabic has been demoted from one of the official languages of the country alongside Hebrew due to the nation-state bill which states that Israel is “the national home of the Jewish people".

    Very backward looking places are England and Israel.
    I'm not so sure loads of people want to be king or queen of any country, including England.
    And thanks for acknowledging that 1 in 5 people in Israel are are Arabs; an extremely generous stance from Israel given that certain Arabs have been aiming to obliterate them for many thousands of years and indeed NOW!

    * Example (**SEPTEMBER 2021) >> "A top European Union official has denounced Palestinian Authority textbooks as “deeply problematic” after a study found that the educational materials promote antisemitic tropes, glorify violence against civilians, and erase Israel from maps of the region" - LINK

  5. #405

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    They wouldn't be able to be if they were not CoE they would be banned from the position.

  6. #406

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    I'm not so sure loads of people want to be king or queen of any country, including England.
    And thanks for acknowledging that 1 in 5 people in Israel are are Arabs; an extremely generous stance from Israel given that certain Arabs have been aiming to obliterate them for many thousands of years and indeed NOW!

    * Example (**SEPTEMBER 2021) >> "A top European Union official has denounced Palestinian Authority textbooks as “deeply problematic” after a study found that the educational materials promote antisemitic tropes, glorify violence against civilians, and erase Israel from maps of the region" - LINK
    what the hell?
    "certain" Arabs in your words are aiming to obliterate Israel. so in your opinion it is *extremely generous* for Israel to allow any Arabs to live there? Are you suggesting that all Arabs are in some way culpable for the actions or rhetoric of a few?

  7. #407

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    Haven’t read the whole thread (yet) but it always amazes and saddens me that a race that went through what the Jews did in the 20th century can behave in the way they do towards another race no matter the argument.

  8. #408

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    what the hell?
    "certain" Arabs in your words are aiming to obliterate Israel. so in your opinion it is *extremely generous* for Israel to allow any Arabs to live there? Are you suggesting that all Arabs are in some way culpable for the actions or rhetoric of a few?
    Obviously not, and neither do Israel as we see this from the fact that they welcome Arab businesses and families to settle and prosper in Israel.
    It's remarkable how most people in these discussions view the actions of Israel through a microscope and everyone around them the same as Arsene Wenger when his centre half cuts the oppositions striker in half

  9. #409

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
    Haven’t read the whole thread (yet) but it always amazes and saddens me that a race that went through what the Jews did in the 20th century can behave in the way they do towards another race no matter the argument.
    This how i feel .Just so sad.

  10. #410

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    This how i feel .Just so sad.
    The deputy head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Monday that Tehran’s strategy was to eventually wipe Israel off the “global political map.” - Article

    Yes, brilliant logic, they should allow anyone to have another pop at erasing them from history

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    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    The deputy head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Monday that Tehran’s strategy was to eventually wipe Israel off the “global political map.” - Article

    Yes, brilliant logic, they should allow anyone to have another pop at erasing them from history
    By stealing Palestinian land, demolishing homes, ethnic cleansing, and treating Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories as second class citizens - in practice and in law?

    Iran faces international sanctions. Israel gets a diplomatic free pass with the USA veto in the UN, is armed and funded by the USA, and has open lobbying groups that include organised sections of the two major parties in the UK parliament.

    But if GOD has given Israeli Jews the ‘title deeds’ to other people’s land in the region all must be OK? That is your Zionist belief - but not the belief of a growing number of secular, socialist, younger and even Orthodox Jews around the world.

  12. #412

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    The deputy head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Monday that Tehran’s strategy was to eventually wipe Israel off the “global political map.” - Article

    Yes, brilliant logic, they should allow anyone to have another pop at erasing them from history
    yes your bible is so perfect too.

    “The Lord shall cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you; they will come out against you one way and will flee before you seven ways. Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’

  13. #413

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    yes your bible is so perfect too.

    “The Lord shall cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you; they will come out against you one way and will flee before you seven ways. Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
    So what imperfection are you referring to re the above passage?

  14. #414

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    So what imperfection are you referring to re the above passage?
    How about using dead bodies as a footstool,very christian ways.

  15. #415

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    How about using dead bodies as a footstool,very christian ways.
    That particular phrase is a metaphor, and if you look at their history, and to use a footballing term, they have always used the counter attack rather than gone looking for enemies to defeat.
    To disagree with such actions, you would also need to say that Churchill was wrong by saying "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender".

    Or should we be all talking German, never missing penalties and buying sauerkraut on the way home from the match?

  16. #416

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by truthpaste View Post
    That particular phrase is a metaphor, and if you look at their history, and to use a footballing term, they have always used the counter attack rather than gone looking for enemies to defeat.
    To disagree with such actions, you would also need to say that Churchill was wrong by saying "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender".

    Or should we be all talking German, never missing penalties and buying sauerkraut on the way home from the match?
    Churchill didn't win us the war , the men and women of all nationalities .......and he didn't like them ......did

    He didn't do any fighting at all

    And when it ended he carved up Europe and many people died in ethnic cleansing as he and others stood by

    Don't bring him into this debate please 🙄

  17. #417

    Re: Palestine Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Churchill didn't win us the war , the men and women of all nationalities .......and he didn't like them ......did

    He didn't do any fighting at all

    And when it ended he carved up Europe and many people died in ethnic cleansing as he and others stood by

    Don't bring him into this debate please 🙄
    I didn't say that he did win us the war, try reading what is said rather than addressing something that hasn't been said!
    I asked, was he WRONG to say what he did, yes or no?

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