Palestine Israel

[Rjk]

It's a horrible situation, and difficult to see how it will ever be resolved.
In my mind they should never have set it up where they did, but now it is there it cannot be undone.

The people in charge on both sides are murderous extremists, but it is easy to see how the far right gets traction in extreme circumstances. If all of us were born in Gaza then a significant number would be supporting Hamas, and likewise with Israel and their military actions. The average age in Gaza is 17, and so many of them will have personally known people who have been murdered by the Israeli state.


What is the end point of all this?

Th current cycle of violence merely fuels more terrorists in Gaza and more harsh reprisals from Israel. Perhaps that suits Israel, as it gives them reasons to continue to expand into Palestinian land. But what happens when they have it all?
Even considering jus the land they already de-facto control there are more arab people living there than Jewish - what is the long term strategy there?
Bring them all under the umbrella of one nation and it is no longer a Jewish state - while that wouldn't be a problem for me, you cannot imagine that the people in Israel would allow that.
So wht are the other options? they are all monstrous.
Continue to allow the Arabic people to live there as second class citizens, unable to vote? that doesn't seem like a stable long term solution - it would inevitably lead to uprisings and bloodshed
Deport all of the Arabic people?
Worse?

And you can ask the same of the Gaza terrorists - what is their ultimate endpoint - clearly they cannot win any direct conflict with Israel, so will they just keep this cycle of violence going forever? If the population weren't so pressured and the people lived more comfortable lives then you wuld imagine that support for the far right would drop off rapidly - after all there's no reason to think they are any different deep down than you or I.


Th whole think is just so depressing.

[AfricanBluebird]

It's a horrible situation, and difficult to see how it will ever be resolved.
In my mind they should never have set it up where they did, but now it is there it cannot be undone.

The people in charge on both sides are murderous extremists, but it is easy to see how the far right gets traction in extreme circumstances. If all of us were born in Gaza then a significant number would be supporting Hamas, and likewise with Israel and their military actions. The average age in Gaza is 17, and so many of them will have personally known people who have been murdered by the Israeli state.


What is the end point of all this?

Th current cycle of violence merely fuels more terrorists in Gaza and more harsh reprisals from Israel. Perhaps that suits Israel, as it gives them reasons to continue to expand into Palestinian land. But what happens when they have it all?
Even considering jus the land they already de-facto control there are more arab people living there than Jewish - what is the long term strategy there?
Bring them all under the umbrella of one nation and it is no longer a Jewish state - while that wouldn't be a problem for me, you cannot imagine that the people in Israel would allow that.
So wht are the other options? they are all monstrous.
Continue to allow the Arabic people to live there as second class citizens, unable to vote? that doesn't seem like a stable long term solution - it would inevitably lead to uprisings and bloodshed
Deport all of the Arabic people?
Worse?

And you can ask the same of the Gaza terrorists - what is their ultimate endpoint - clearly they cannot win any direct conflict with Israel, so will they just keep this cycle of violence going forever? If the population weren't so pressured and the people lived more comfortable lives then you wuld imagine that support for the far right would drop off rapidly - after all there's no reason to think they are any different deep down than you or I.


Th whole think is just so depressing.

Excellent, if not depressing, post Rjk.

Exactly my feelings on the situation.

Glad at least there are some reasonable views shared on here. Social media is awash with extreme nonsense on either side. I am staying clear of the discussion.