Palestine Israel

[trampie09]

What a revelation!

So maybe you'd care to unpack your statement 'movement of people' and explain why it is pertinent?

Not all countries are all the same birds of a feather, there are often people of different religions within a country so having a state religion is not all encompassing.

[truthpaste]

Not all countries are all the same birds of a feather, there are often people of different religions within a country so having a state religion is not all encompassing.

1. Faith (NOT Religion) and who we trust isn't a state matter, and nobody on this thread suggested otherwise. We will be judged as individuals, it will have nothing to do with which country or postcode we were born in.

2. There has never in history been a state, county or country where everyone had an identical faith.

3. The promise to the Jews re the Land, was made to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not just to those who shared and practiced the faith of those guys.

4. The Promise of the scope of the Land didn't say that they would see 100% of the occupants of that land as people who shared their faith or even their bloodline. It was the fact that they would own the land and rule over it having respect for others who also live in that land. Israel is presently doing this (in a much smaller piece of land than God has ultimately given them), with Arabs living in Israel and owning their own businesses.

[Rjk]

1. Faith (NOT Religion) and who we trust isn't a state matter, and nobody on this thread suggested otherwise. We will be judged as individuals, it will have nothing to do with which country or postcode we were born in.

2. There has never in history been a state, county or country where everyone had an identical faith.

3. The promise to the Jews re the Land, was made to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not just to those who shared and practiced the faith of those guys.

4. The Promise of the scope of the Land didn't say that they would see 100% of the occupants of that land as people who shared their faith or even their bloodline. It was the fact that they would own the land and rule over it having respect for others who also live in that land. Israel is presently doing this (in a much smaller piece of land than God has ultimately given them), with Arabs living in Israel and owning their own businesses.

well given Abraham supposedly lived so long ago - although the pyramids at Giza were already 500 years old by that point.
it is statistically said that either everyone alive today is a descendant of him, or nobody is (the most likely reason being he didn't actually exist and was a literary construct).
that means it is an utterly pointless means to decide that any one group of people should have the land. either everyone owns it or nobody does.

[jon1959]

1. Faith (NOT Religion) and who we trust isn't a state matter, and nobody on this thread suggested otherwise. We will be judged as individuals, it will have nothing to do with which country or postcode we were born in.

2. There has never in history been a state, county or country where everyone had an identical faith.

3. The promise to the Jews re the Land, was made to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not just to those who shared and practiced the faith of those guys.

4. The Promise of the scope of the Land didn't say that they would see 100% of the occupants of that land as people who shared their faith or even their bloodline. It was the fact that they would own the land and rule over it having respect for others who also live in that land. Israel is presently doing this (in a much smaller piece of land than God has ultimately given them), with Arabs living in Israel and owning their own businesses.

Many black and 'coloured' people living in apartheid South Africa also owned their own businesses. But hey, if that is your definition of 'respect' in an ethno-religious state that passed the Nation State Law in 2018 I suppose that is your right.

It is also your right to use the word 'truth' as synonymous with faith. Utter nonsense, but you have every right to build your life and belief system around a series of incoherent, irrational and deeply racist fantasies.

One Truthpaste on a football message board is not a problem. It is a problem when those same medieval beliefs inform the actions of world governments - including Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia, but especially the USA.

[trampie09]

1. Faith (NOT Religion) and who we trust isn't a state matter, and nobody on this thread suggested otherwise. We will be judged as individuals, it will have nothing to do with which country or postcode we were born in.

2. There has never in history been a state, county or country where everyone had an identical faith.

3. The promise to the Jews re the Land, was made to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not just to those who shared and practiced the faith of those guys.

4. The Promise of the scope of the Land didn't say that they would see 100% of the occupants of that land as people who shared their faith or even their bloodline. It was the fact that they would own the land and rule over it having respect for others who also live in that land. Israel is presently doing this (in a much smaller piece of land than God has ultimately given them), with Arabs living in Israel and owning their own businesses.

Unfortunately it is a state matter in England and Israel and that is why the way both those places are run is backward.

[truthpaste]

Unfortunately it is a state matter in England and Israel and that is why the way both those places are run is backward.

That's a very vague statement?
Please give an example re England to make your point, thanks