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I’ll admit I don’t have enough knowledge of the subject to fully back up my thoughts but what Israel is doing to Palestine, on the face of it is bloody awful.
It does seem to me that the Palestinian’s don’t help themselves by sparking some tensions but Israel do look like bully boys.
I don’t understand how the world leaders are not issuing comments or sanctions as they would if it was another country.
Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your backOriginally Posted by WJ99mobile
Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs
I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden
And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched
Which is exactly what is happening
Could it be that it's none of the other neighbours business so not getting involved and keeping out of it?
Fair Play, Stan, you haven't really thought it through, have you?Could it be that it's none of the other neighbours business so not getting involved and keeping out of it?
NoFair Play, Stan, you haven't really thought it through, have you?
But my comment was regarding Sludge. If his neighbours were pinching his land and i was his other neighbour i'd just watch and not get involved
On that point, i completely agree with you.No
But my comment was regarding Sludge. If his neighbours were pinching his land and i was his other neighbour i'd just watch and not get involved
WimpNo
But my comment was regarding Sludge. If his neighbours were pinching his land and i was his other neighbour i'd just watch and not get involved
Are you going to ignore the Arabs invading Israel twice ?
Read a ****ing book. Israel in an idea. A very bad one. It's Arab territory. The state of Israel was under consideration to be in Australia. It should be in Poland/Germany. Israel was created in 1948 and has been in conflict ever since.
He knows all of this. Palestine was actually invaded by Arabs before Israel was.
As long as the USA finances, arms and uses Israel as its middle east proxy state, and (often with the UK and some major EU countries) provides diplomatic and UN veto cover for every breach of international law (which happens constantly) then any Israeli government has a 'get out of gaol free' card.
Biden has changed the language from the stuff we got from Trump, but in practical terms he is continuing the traditional US role:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...us-on-conflict
Churchill has so many things to answer for. The Balkans and the Middle East are but two major ongoing disasters of his model of diplomacy.
It all started when he was secretary of state for the colonies in 1921and his machinations went on for the next 26 years
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...le-east-legacy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement
And 100 years later it’s still fkd
Aren't all countries an idea?
As for Israel, the Jews beliefe it to be their homeland, so I guess Australia was a non starter
Jesus was a Jew, born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world
Israel and Palestine are pretty much cotermimous, certainly historically
It's terrible, downright upsetting even!
There is absolutely no reason why these families are being killed.
Israel was stupidly created in the middle of Arab land . They have been expanding ever since . Of course the arabs are going to strike back . I would .
And this is why religious beliefs are so utterly stupid and causes so much hassle
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5192063]Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your back
Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs
I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden
And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched
Which is exactly what is happening[/QUOT
Would you fire 1, 500 rockets at the neighbours though knowing what the response would be to the innocent civilians living around the launch sites ??
Who funds this stuff ??
[QUOTE=life on mars;5192113]Iran are the backers of Hamas.Hamas's aim is to destroy Israel and create an islamic republic,so there is no way Israel can bring them to the negotiating table.
[QUOTE=Dobbo;5192157]As Hamas are mainly in Gaza, and the more friendly opposition Fatah party are in West Bank, why not declare Gaza as a satellite aggressive state allow peaceful Palestinians to resettle in the West Bank give them a better standard of living and then rout out the bad eggs firing these rockets as they will never want peace for any reason at any time , Hamas even hate each other the current leader in 2016 wanted a peaceful discussions not rockets.. However as in most parties the rogue elements want greater aggression and a take over of the leadership .
[QUOTE=life on mars;5192235]there are 2 million people in the Gaza strip - how many should be moved to another city before they move in on the "bad eggs"?
[QUOTE=life on mars;5192113]What else can they do ?
Go on a 3 day week ?
We can't help them , we are too busy selling bombs to Saudi Arabia
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5192114]It smells of two sides with weak governments , Abbas Fatah party of Palestinian needs to allow for a democratic election he won't because of state sponsored Hamas don't get on withing Palestine , Abas is seen as weak as Hamas are seen as strong as they fire thousands of rockets , whilst Israel cannot reach a majority government after many elections, so both countries are at war within its boundaries and outside , its a mess however no amount of rockets will fix this, on top of all this is the hatred of Israel of others such Iran and Syria who want them eradicated and destroyed, sadly no one will yield.
Strange stance by Joe Biden on this one, 🤔 the alleged sensible party in the USA, must be worrying about votes.
You have to feel for the Palestinians , caught up in this, living In poverty ,whoever funds these rocket's should also help feed the starving as well.
It's a horrible situation.
If you defend the Palestinians you are accused of being anti-Semitic whereas if you defend Israel you're accused of being a Zionist. It's a no win situation.
Personally I have no issues with the existence of Israel, but their behaviour and outright murderous actions towards the Palestinians is a disgrace and the international community should make them accountable and even force them to return land that has been illegally taken form Palestinians. Israel continues to break international law while many countries continue to supply them with endless amounts of undesignated funds. The Palestinians live in appalling conditions and levels of daily hate and persecution towards them by the Israeli authorities is disgusting and inhumane. No wonder young men are gonna get pissed off and fight back... seeing lack of jobs, health, education and daily persecution towards themselves and their families.
Saying that, Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations have done the people of Palestine no favours at all. Hamas put people at risk and use human shields. The surrounding Arab nations stand by watching, without supporting Palestinians with health, education and infrastructure, as it suits their agenda to keep them poor and angry towards Israel.
It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination. Israel are bullies who cry foul when get hit back.
A two state solution is the only answer. Palestine must be recognised as a sovereign state and therefore gain the recognition and resources needed to improve life for their citizens. I fear Hamas and Israel would never make the necessary compromises needed for that to happen.
A terrible situation.
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