A man with followers existing and that being recorded at a point in time is a very different thing to an entity clicking his fingers and making a talking snakeOriginally Posted by truthpaste
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A man with followers existing and that being recorded at a point in time is a very different thing to an entity clicking his fingers and making a talking snake
This is an interesting piece on the changing attitudes of in the USA where Christian evangelicals (and the Republican Party) are seen by Israel as their natural allies (despite their antisemitism) whilst American Jews are increasingly breaking from the ideology of Zionism and uncritical support of Israel.
https://newpol.org/we-anti-zionists-...r-of-u-s-jews/
No evidence at all
Body
Grave
Nothing
If you believe in something written 2000 years ago or whenever it was to be irrefutable evidence of Jesus christ , God and the great gig in the sky then you have failed I am afraid
Some bloke walking around being nice to people 2000 years ago is not factual evidence of someone being able to do miracles or his dad up in the clouds actually existing
I see, so the experienced middle eastern correspondant (atheist) that the BBC chose, who just like you didn't want any part of it to be true, wasn't as astute as yourself? Understood
You're completely ignoring the fact that many of us, Sludge included, aren't disagreeing with the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" that there may well have been a man called Jesus who had followers. What we, and undoubtedly the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" disagree with is the rest water into wine, parting of the red sea, the animals went in two by two and of course the world was made in 7 days greatest hitsI see, so the experienced middle eastern correspondant (atheist) that the BBC chose, who just like you didn't want any part of it to be true, wasn't as astute as yourself? Understood
He does what he wants,
He does what he wants,
Jesus Christ/God,
He does what he wants.
I'm ignoring NO facts, Sludge stated that Jesus didn't even exist. That is now dealt with. He does.
Now to your questions.
Well done for getting one appropriate question re Jesus - Water into wine.
* The Red Sea appears in the OT - Moses not Jesus.
* Creation was in 6 days, not 7.
So with regard to all the above, would you like to confirm that your issue is with the existence and power of God?
If so, what is your own origin model for complex DNA, the Universe and the existence of all things?
What evidence is there of the existence of Moses and of the veracity of the stories, including the creation story, that have been attributed to him?
Don't be such a sap
Some bloke was a bit of a cult 2000 years ago , did a few public speaking events then got done over by the Romans
That's not existence of God, heaven, Jesus christ his son , the parting of the waves and a few loaves of hovis and a tin of tuna feeding 5000 homeless
Takes a Cardiff boyo to prove the existence of Jesus. In 2000 years there will be a cult of Jeremy. Couldn't make it up.
He's saying there might have been a hippy walking around 2000 plus years ago who was a bit of a chilled out , friendly chap .I see, so the experienced middle eastern correspondant (atheist) that the BBC chose, who just like you didn't want any part of it to be true, wasn't as astute as yourself? Understood
He's not saying he fed starving people in their thousands , taught blind men how to see or helped bed ridden people walk
This is hard work
If you get hit by a bus will that be chance or gods will ?Ok, so we are again moving the goalposts back a few more millenia in the hope that the Bible may turn out to be fiction and we can all go back to just worrying about our status in the Championship.
The authenticity of the Bible is a massive yet crucial issue, I'll be glad to address that next week. For the next 3 days I have much to attend to, so thanks for the questions, see you early next week - God willing
It's all cobblers
He was a hippy who helped feed the poor
And that's it
He didn't perform miracles and he didn't have a bloke in the sky who had a white beard and ruled the universe
Because that is all fairy tales
Creation ?
Dinosaurs ? 🦕
Extract from motion adopted at Labour Party Conference today:
Conference condemns the ongoing Nakba in Palestine, Israel’s militarised violence attacking the Al Aqsa mosque, the forced displacements from Sheikh Jarrah and the deadly assault on Gaza.
Together with the de facto annexation of Palestinian land by accelerated settlement building and statements of Israel’s intention to proceed with annexation, it is ever clearer that Israel is intent on eliminating any prospects of Palestinian self-determination.
Conference notes the TUC 2020 Congress motion describing such settlement building and annexation as ‘another significant step’ towards the UN crime of apartheid, and calling on the European and international trade union movement to join the international campaign to stop annexation and end apartheid ...
Conference resolves to support “effective measures” including sanctions, as called for by Palestinian civil society, against actions by the Israeli government that are illegal according to international law; in particular to ensure that Israel stops the building of settlements, reverses any annexation, ends the occupation of the West Bank, the blockade of Gaza, brings down the wall and respects the right of Palestinian people, as enshrined in international law, to return to their homes.
Conference resolves that the Labour party must stand on the right side of history and abide by these resolutions in its policy, communications and political strategy.
The leadership of the Labour Party and Labour Friends of Israel and the Board of Deputies (the sounding board for any policies or training programmes about Israel/Palestine) are not happy. But I am.
I genuinely do understand the issues with Israel and Palestine and how complicated it is and how Israel has committed wrongs in the past and continues to do so, and that many of which are unjustifiable.... but looking in from the outside, it does seem a bit strange given that Muslims have often been treated appallingly from Morocco to China, about 90% of the concern is in respect of the tiny number of them that happen to live within or adjacent to the worlds only Jewish state. Just saying.Extract from motion adopted at Labour Party Conference today:
Conference condemns the ongoing Nakba in Palestine, Israel’s militarised violence attacking the Al Aqsa mosque, the forced displacements from Sheikh Jarrah and the deadly assault on Gaza.
Together with the de facto annexation of Palestinian land by accelerated settlement building and statements of Israel’s intention to proceed with annexation, it is ever clearer that Israel is intent on eliminating any prospects of Palestinian self-determination.
Conference notes the TUC 2020 Congress motion describing such settlement building and annexation as ‘another significant step’ towards the UN crime of apartheid, and calling on the European and international trade union movement to join the international campaign to stop annexation and end apartheid ...
Conference resolves to support “effective measures” including sanctions, as called for by Palestinian civil society, against actions by the Israeli government that are illegal according to international law; in particular to ensure that Israel stops the building of settlements, reverses any annexation, ends the occupation of the West Bank, the blockade of Gaza, brings down the wall and respects the right of Palestinian people, as enshrined in international law, to return to their homes.
Conference resolves that the Labour party must stand on the right side of history and abide by these resolutions in its policy, communications and political strategy.
The leadership of the Labour Party and Labour Friends of Israel and the Board of Deputies (the sounding board for any policies or training programmes about Israel/Palestine) are not happy. But I am.
I'm not sure it's a good look and it is a bit inconsistent and I would suggest it's at least part of the reason why so many of the Jewish community were fearful of Corbyn etc.
What is it with the Labour Party and their meetings that the cannot bring themselves to use the word "The" ???Extract from motion adopted at Labour Party Conference today:
Conference condemns the ongoing Nakba in Palestine, Israel’s militarised violence attacking the Al Aqsa mosque, the forced displacements from Sheikh Jarrah and the deadly assault on Gaza.
Together with the de facto annexation of Palestinian land by accelerated settlement building and statements of Israel’s intention to proceed with annexation, it is ever clearer that Israel is intent on eliminating any prospects of Palestinian self-determination.
Conference notes the TUC 2020 Congress motion describing such settlement building and annexation as ‘another significant step’ towards the UN crime of apartheid, and calling on the European and international trade union movement to join the international campaign to stop annexation and end apartheid ...
Conference resolves to support “effective measures” including sanctions, as called for by Palestinian civil society, against actions by the Israeli government that are illegal according to international law; in particular to ensure that Israel stops the building of settlements, reverses any annexation, ends the occupation of the West Bank, the blockade of Gaza, brings down the wall and respects the right of Palestinian people, as enshrined in international law, to return to their homes.
Conference resolves that the Labour party must stand on the right side of history and abide by these resolutions in its policy, communications and political strategy.
The leadership of the Labour Party and Labour Friends of Israel and the Board of Deputies (the sounding board for any policies or training programmes about Israel/Palestine) are not happy. But I am.
That really annoys me.
The point is well made.
Conference probably agrees.
It is ironic that someone who believes in God, heaven, miracles , an all powerful being and someone who allows kids in Africa to starve to death whilst allowing the likes of adolf Hitler to exist ........thinks someone else who wants proof about all this nonsense is the one who is blind , deaf and ignorant . To be ignorant you need to be presented with facts .....so where is the evidence that god , in this present moment , exists and has done in the past ?
Surely he would have left lots of signs ?
Maybe a letter or a photo taken from one of his mates mobile phones ?
Surely God, being so wise , knows how to pose for a picture ?
That would be proof and we could all stop arguing?
But what nationality was his father because if we believe the Bible it definitely wasn't Jo!!
The legal concept of nationality is a modern concept, of course.
Being born or conceived a bastard isn't!!
No smileys on my phone but I like it! lolThe point is well made.
Conference probably agrees.
Truthppaste perfectly encapsulates the crazies from the greater Israel bunch of tossers. A mindset that would see innocent Palestinians chucked out of their homes because of what a book says.
The idea that the Palestinian side are angels though is becoming a very dangerous and pervasive myth. Most of what became Israel was built on empty land, huge amounts of the arabs in the area were wildly anti semitic and thought they'd try killing them rather than live next to them.
The settlement movement and their political lackeys have caused a very disproportionate amount of harm and hardship. I'd like to see some pressure brought on Israel to pull them into line. But the reason that there's not more outcry about the settlers amongst the general Israeli population is quite simple. They are fully aware of a fact that many here, especially on the left are unwilling to admit. That fundamental truth is that there is no difference between settlers and residents of tel aviv in the eyes of a lot of Palestinians and residents of surrounding countries. They're all just Jews to them, and they'd happily see them all wiped out for that fact.
Apart from throwing out the expected insults, you don't appear to have decided who is to blame?
"A mindset that would see innocent Palestinians chucked out of their homes because of what a book says.
The idea that the Palestinian side are angels though is becoming a very dangerous and pervasive myth"
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