Palestine Israel

[chrisp_1927]

Apart from throwing out the expected insults, you don't appear to have decided who is to blame?

"A mindset that would see innocent Palestinians chucked out of their homes because of what a book says.
The idea that the Palestinian side are angels though is becoming a very dangerous and pervasive myth"

Don't appear to have decided who to blame? I think that both sides have some elements who cause problems. There are also many, many good people on both sides who would just like to live in peace. It's a complicated situation, not as simple as attaching blame to one side and hero status to the other side

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Don't appear to have decided who to blame? I think that both sides have some elements who cause problems. There are also many, many good people on both sides who would just like to live in peace. It's a complicated situation, not as simple as attaching blame to one side and hero status to the other side

So why throw the insult when I didn't pour any blame on one side either, I simply pointed out that the title deeds originally belonged to the children of Abraham.

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Don't appear to have decided who to blame? I think that both sides have some elements who cause problems. There are also many, many good people on both sides who would just like to live in peace. It's a complicated situation, not as simple as attaching blame to one side and hero status to the other side

Nobody here is attaching hero status to any side, and as for a solution, the Bible does predict that in any era, man himself will not be able to solve it himself.

In the meantime it has been interesting to note what recent history has recorded re the Jews:-

'Some people like the Jews, and some do not. But no thoughtful man can deny the fact that they are, beyond any question, the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has appeared in the world'- Winston Churchill.

"I will insist the Hebrews have [contributed] more to civilize men than any other nation. If I was an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations... They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bubble in comparison to the Jews" - John Adams - 2nd US President.

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Apart from throwing out the expected insults, you don't appear to have decided who is to blame?

"A mindset that would see innocent Palestinians chucked out of their homes because of what a book says.
The idea that the Palestinian side are angels though is becoming a very dangerous and pervasive myth"

God , the Bible , the Koran and America

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Being born or conceived a bastard isn't!!

that's a bit harsh on TBG

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that's a bit harsh on TBG

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[chrisp_1927]

So why throw the insult when I didn't pour any blame on one side either, I simply pointed out that the title deeds originally belonged to the children of Abraham.

Because you appear to believe that Jews should have all the land of eretz Israel based on your belief in religious texts. I personally think that's a dangerous view, it's a view that is shared by radical settlers who cause many problems. Arab/Islamic media and a fairly chunky proportion of Muslims also like to pretend that it's the goal of all israelis and Jews to take the whole land of Israel. This religious lunacy from a minority on both sides, coupled with rampant anti senitism in a large majority of the Arab populations, is the root cause of most of the issues.

What worries me, is that many people who are generally moderate, are now starting to get sucked in by this idea that all of Israel is a problem and stolen, rather than just the settlements. When people like you start pumping out the idea that Israel is 'entitled ' to all the land, you just help to firm up their opinions

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Because you appear to believe that Jews should have all the land of eretz Israel based on your belief in religious texts. I personally think that's a dangerous view, it's a view that is shared by radical settlers who cause many problems. Arab/Islamic media and a fairly chunky proportion of Muslims also like to pretend that it's the goal of all israelis and Jews to take the whole land of Israel. This religious lunacy from a minority on both sides, coupled with rampant anti senitism in a large majority of the Arab populations, is the root cause of most of the issues.

What worries me, is that many people who are generally moderate, are now starting to get sucked in by this idea that all of Israel is a problem and stolen, rather than just the settlements. When people like you start pumping out the idea that Israel is 'entitled ' to all the land, you just help to firm up their opinions

An opinion on it's own is no more valid than that of any individual, Arab, Jew, yours or mine.
What does matter is the title deed.
If someone is squatting in your home, then you don't employ your opinion, that of your neighbours, the Lord Mayor or even the Pope; you deal in facts.
If you'd like to prove that the title deed and authority of Scripture is invalid then do your best - however your OPINION alone isn't going to cut it.

[chrisp_1927]

An opinion on it's own is no more valid than that of any individual, Arab, Jew, yours or mine.
What does matter is the title deed.
If someone is squatting in your home, then you don't employ your opinion, that of your neighbours, the Lord Mayor or even the Pope; you deal in facts.
If you'd like to prove that the title deed and authority of Scripture is invalid then do your best - however your OPINION alone isn't going to cut it.

Luckily for the state of Israel , the IDF is stronger than any nonsense belief in bible/talmud scriptures or the Koran. I do feel desperately sorry for the Palestinians caught up in the aggression of the small minority of loons on the political and religious extreme of Israeli society. As I feel sorry for the thousands of Israeli Jews who have suffered Palestinian terrorism.

Friends like you do Israel as much harm as its enemies

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Luckily for the state of Israel , the IDF is stronger than any nonsense belief in bible/talmud scriptures or the Koran. I do feel desperately sorry for the Palestinians caught up in the aggression of the small minority of loons on the political and religious extreme of Israeli society. As I feel sorry for the thousands of Israeli Jews who have suffered Palestinian terrorism.

Friends like you do Israel as much harm as its enemies

I see, so because I claim to have a relationship with the same God that gave Israel a set of promises around 4000 years ago and I am saying that eventually things will be put right, I am somehow a trouble maker?
I also feel sorry for the individuals caught up in religious hatred, and I am NOT a supporter of Religion as the thread ("Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to...") I started a few weeks ago makes perfectly clear.
Unfortunately it is people like you that hate those who they see to be religious, as they put all such people in the same basket, I hope at some point you will appreciate the difference.

[jon1959]

Unfortunately it is people like you that hate those who they see to be religious, as they put all such people in the same basket, I hope at some point you will appreciate the difference.

A 'basket case' objecting to baskets?

This thread has exceeded all expectations.

I think you even typed 'title deed' with a straight face!

[trampie09]

I see, so because I claim to have a relationship with the same God that gave Israel a set of promises around 4000 years ago and I am saying that eventually things will be put right, I am somehow a trouble maker?
I also feel sorry for the individuals caught up in religious hatred, and I am NOT a supporter of Religion as the thread ("Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to...") I started a few weeks ago makes perfectly clear.
Unfortunately it is people like you that hate those who they see to be religious, as they put all such people in the same basket, I hope at some point you will appreciate the difference.

Since you are going back before the Germanic tribes came to Britain, do you think that the English should be banished from Britain and the occupied territories (eg England) should be returned to the Welsh, ancient Britons and Welsh being synonymous.

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Since you are going back before the Germanic tribes came to Britain, do you think that the English should be banished from Britain and the occupied territories (eg England) should be returned to the Welsh, ancient Britons and Welsh being synonymous.

As Britain opens it's 'gates' to almost anyone and everyone, I very much doubt that any descendants from any historical tribe has been prevented from entering the land!

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Here is a fact truthpaste

There is no god

If you say I am wrong , prove it

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I see, so because I claim to have a relationship with the same God that gave Israel a set of promises around 4000 years ago and I am saying that eventually things will be put right, I am somehow a trouble maker?
I also feel sorry for the individuals caught up in religious hatred, and I am NOT a supporter of Religion as the thread ("Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to...") I started a few weeks ago makes perfectly clear.
Unfortunately it is people like you that hate those who they see to be religious, as they put all such people in the same basket, I hope at some point you will appreciate the difference.

So you have a relationship with someone who 4000 years ago promised somebody something ?

So the bloke you talk to now was also around 4000 years ago?

So how come he can still talk to you and you to him ?

Is he on life support ?

[trampie09]

As Britain opens it's 'gates' to almost anyone and everyone, I very much doubt that any descendants from any historical tribe has been prevented from entering the land!

Britannia did not open its gates Boudicea fought the Romans and King Arthur fought the Saxons.

By using your logic out in the middle East do you think should the English be sent back to Moenchengladbach and the occupied territories eg England in this example be given back to the Welsh ?

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Britannia did not open its gates Boudicea fought the Romans and King Arthur fought the Saxons.

By using your logic out in the middle East do you think should the English be sent back to Moenchengladbach and the occupied territories eg England in this example be given back to the Welsh ?

My comment re us opening the floodgates related to recent history as does the issue of this thread re Israel/ Palestine.
As for England having to hand back land to England, they could start with Cornwell as it is mainly occupied by people who already know they are not quite part of England.
For example, my mate who was born in St Ives, during every 6 nations he supports Wales

[trampie09]

My comment re us opening the floodgates related to recent history as does the issue of this thread re Israel/ Palestine.
As for England having to hand back land to England, they could start with Cornwell as it is mainly occupied by people who already know they are not quite part of England.
For example, my mate who was born in St Ives, during every 6 nations he supports Wales

You was off about 4000 year old history, if you are talking about recent history and the whole of the middle East then the Arabs are in the majority out there, just like the English are in Blighty.

Cornwall was West Wales, Celts back in the day and not Anglo Saxons.

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You was off about 4000 year old history, if you are talking about recent history and the whole of the middle East then the Arabs are in the majority out there, just like the English are in Blighty.

Cornwall was West Wales, Celts back in the day and not Anglo Saxons.

I wasn't off anything. I was on point stating facts, not opinions.

And yes the Arabs have most of the Middle East, North Africa, Bradford and a number of other locations; so why would they need to have a monopoly in a really small country like Israel which is the size of Wales and dwarfed by virtually every country surrounding it?

Israel is blue (in case it's too small to spot).

israel-and-arab-world.jpg

[trampie09]

I wasn't off anything. I was on point stating facts, not opinions.

And yes the Arabs have most of the Middle East, North Africa, Bradford and a number of other locations; so why would they need to have a monopoly in a really small country like Israel which is the size of Wales and dwarfed by virtually every country surrounding it?

Israel is blue (in case it's too small to spot).

israel-and-arab-world.jpg

Yes you was off about it that is why I replied, you logic relating to Israel while applied to Wales and Britain would mean Britannia belongs to the Welsh, Wales is a small country that the English are taking over via immigration also they have the weight of numbers come UK elections so the vote is skewed in that we have an English nationalist government in power in the UK in the form of the Tory party against Wales wishes as Wales never votes that way (ditto Scotland), some might say why does England want a monopoly of Britannia when they already have the occupied territories which is England.
Israel and England are the same in as much as they are part of only a handful of countries in the World that have a state religion they are backward and medieval having such a thing, in England they even have a monarchy in this day and age and an unelected house of Lords, have you noticed how those that identify strongly as Welsh (or Scots or Irish) are sympathetic to the Palestinians and yet those that identify strongly as English seem to be sympathetic to Israel, although they fought and killed British soldiers and civilians when it was a British mandate out there.

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As Britain opens it's 'gates' to almost anyone and everyone, I very much doubt that any descendants from any historical tribe has been prevented from entering the land!

That sounds a bit nigel farage we don't want any more immigrants

I thought you were a Christian?

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That sounds a bit nigel farage we don't want any more immigrants

I thought you were a Christian?

Which part of that do you consider to be unchristian?
I never said I agreed or disagreed with government policy, I was stating a fact.

[trampie09]

No, I'm Welsh, so that model doesn't really work.

And what makes Israel 'backward' because they have a long and ancient history?
Would you then say the same about the Greeks or the Egyptians?

There should be no place for a state religion in this day and age.

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There should be no place for a state religion in this day and age.

THIS day and age?
Why, because you have Google and they didn't?