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any chance of a back story or is this simply accepting what we read on social media?Originally Posted by Rjk
could it be that the house originally belonged to the Jewish family but was claimed by the Palestinians in the 1920s and 1930s? Could it be the house was sole legitimately? could it be that the Jewish family paid money for it? Could it be the Palestinian couple were evicted to make way for the Jewish couple?
none of us can be sure based on that photo alone
you're hilarious
it's ok to say you have no context and you're forming an opinion with little or no evidence based on a predetermined belief.
I have the context, and plenty of evidence of where that picture cones from, you seem very eager to suggest alternative scenarios, which are clearly very unlikely.
it wasn't a recent eviction, but they were kicked out of their home and it was given to settlers.
a journalist took them back to see their former home.
Feedback.
Here's the Snopes analysis of the specific story
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa...ome-israelies/
There is also a clip of the couple .. you can find a translation online.
The only thing not verified is where the Israeli/US couple, who now occupy the house, are from
While you're right to ask for more context, let's explore that a bit then shall we. We know where it is though and we have history, census etc so lets explore those....
There were between 60,000 and 80,000 Jewish people in Palestine in 1920s and made up less than 17% of the population of Palestine. No Jewish homes were claimed by Palestinians in the 1920's. In 1517 there were only 5000 Jewish people living in Israel and that number didn't go up significantly (it only reached 60000 by the 1920s). Jewish people hadn't lived there in large volumes until the 1950's after the formation of Israel in 48.
Additionally in the areas where Jewish 'settlers' have come to kick out the Palestinians haven't had Jewish people living there for 1000's of years (a small area of the West Bank the exception where a small Jewish population left in 1948 during the war.
However, that is all academic as this case is in Ijzim, where there hadn't a Jewish population living there for thousands of years.... in 1922, the decade where you proposed that perhaps Palestinians took Jewish homes and now back to reclaim them, there were no Jewish people recorded in the 1922 census (1610 Muslims and 1 Christian!). In fact there have been NO recoded Jewish people living in Ljzim (now renamed Kerem Maharal) since recording began in 1596 until 2006 when Israel extended their illegal settlement policy!
Native Americans have lost their land to settlers far more recently than Jewish ancestors lost theirs in the Israel / Palestine.
The point is that this house has been stolen from Palestinians, breaking international law, under the right wing policy of the Israeli government to provide 'settlers' with homes and effectively making indigenous Palestinians homeless and squeezing them into an small geographical area stripping them of their rights and access to health and education and jobs .
So feedback, you're scenario is preposterous both mathematically and geographically.
I've asked for evidence that this particular house was taken from Palestinians, not a history lesson.
but regarding your own post, you're very selective about when you start looking at the number of Jews in the Levant. Around the start of the 7th century, there were, according to various estimates, between 150,000-400,000 and the number of Arabs was nil. Move forward a hundred yeas, following the Muslim conquest and the figures change quite dramatically.
The Jews were in the Levant way before the Arabs, and were forcibly displaced following military conquest. You ignore this rather conveniently.
You also forget that many Jews were expelled from the Levant under the Ottoman's, who preferred their Muslim Palestinian brothers ahead of the Jew diaspora who had been living in the Levant for many generations.
This issue did not start in the 1920s, and what we are seeing today is one of many rounds of conflict where Jew or Arab have had the upper hand and hegemony.
Turning to the modern day, the Jews accepted the partition plan, the Arabs did not. The Jews have quite literally been fighting for Israel's existence ever since, having been invaded twice by the Arabs, who have had their arses handed to them on a plate both times.
Until Hamas accepts Israel has a right to exist, which is international law (resolution 181 (II)), Israel is within its rights to defend itself.
turning to my scenario, I asked for evidence of this one particular example cited by RJK. All we have had in return is bluster and rhetoric about what may have happened. no evidence has been provided so on that basis, it is difficult to form an opinion on this particular case.
If that's true then there will be evidence
You seem to misunderstand my point. In this conflict there is so much misinformation being spread on social nedia by both sides.
You appear to be very quick in accepting anything pro Palestinian and/or anti Israeli without any kind of context or evidence.
Yes there is evidence, I've seen it.
They interviewed the current homeowner about how he feels for the old couple who's home it used to be.
He replied "frankly, I don't feel anything, because living here is very enjoyable"
This thread was started less than a week ago but timeline in that link starts on 13th of April 2021. If we're still talking about the oppression and the ugly relationship between the two nations in a months time even though things are likely to have calmed down then we might start to get somewhere.At least 219 people, including almost 100 women and children, have been killed in Gaza so far, according to its health ministry.
In Israel 12 people, including two children, have been killed, its medical service says.
The US is a staunch ally of Israel and has so far opposed a joint UN Security Council statement on the conflict.
There has also been unrest within Israel and in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, where Palestinians took part in a general strike on Tuesday. There were clashes in several locations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57168051
Can we see the evidence?
Just for the record, i don't want to see any evidence, so don't speak for me
sure, find it yourself
So you don't have any to hand then. That's OK, but its rather contradictory as earlier you intimated their was evidence wherever you looked
i could quite easily find it again, it took me at most 5 minutes before. but you're being such a contrarian arse as usual I really can't be ****ed.
a journalist had brought this old couple to see the house that they were evicted from years earlier and handed over to settlers.
I wasn'tJust for the record, i don't want to see any evidence, so don't speak for me
Using the Royal 'We' Obviously
Social media can produce and spread 'evidence' which is not what it seems - correct, though you haven't shown any evidence to say that's happening here.
The painful and embarrassing eviction of Palestinian families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah district of East Jerusalem by Jewish settlers as part of ongoing erosion of Palestine - factual.
Where's Splott David when you need him?
Or is he alreadyhere?
I sense you're frustrated that I don't just accept what you write as fact.
Why don’t you all discuss other current civil wars, many of which are taking place in many parts of the world? Just look at the numbers being killed elsewhere which are far heavier than the subject conflict.
Also, the numbers killed by Hamas are misleading as they have attempted to kill far more Israelis than they have succeeded in doing - just look at the number of missiles they have launched against Israel!
feel free to start another thread
Because so many people on this board are preoccupied with Israel and conveniently forget that so many of its inhabitants are direct descendants/relatives of murdered Jews from the Nazi era. Many of the survivors of this era were refugees who managed to reach Israel.
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