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Got no time for any killing machine its just the selective dislike of certain rogue states and deaths, that I find fascinating.

Almost as fascinating as your selective criticism of protests. When the BLM protests were happening you were very upset about the other issues people were neglecting to protest about, including for some bizarre reason Lee Rigby who'd died 7 years earlier and who's killer had been long dealt with by the legal system.

Now seeing these protests you're upset again about the lack of protests about other horrors in the world, despite never actually protesting yourself, or I suspect, never standing up for a single cause in your life. Classic sideline sniper.

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Almost as fascinating as your selective criticism of protests. When the BLM protests were happening you were very upset about the other issues people were neglecting to protest about, including for some bizarre reason Lee Rigby who'd died 7 years earlier and who's killer had been long dealt with by the legal system.

Now seeing these protests you're upset again about the lack of protests about other horrors in the world, despite never actually protesting yourself, or I suspect, never standing up for a single cause in your life. Classic sideline sniper.

Is that what you really have taken from LOMs comments? Rather than taking there being many injustices in the world equally worthy of our support, for some bizarre inexplicable reason, its only the Jews v Arabs conflict that gets the air time.

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Is that what you really have taken from LOMs comments? Rather than taking there being many injustices in the world equally worthy of our support, for some bizarre inexplicable reason, its only the Jews v Arabs conflict that gets the air time.

Yes absolutely that's what I took because he has form for this selective whataboutism

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Yes absolutely that's what I took because he has form for this selective whataboutism

that old chestnut, whataboutism. This is a device that is used time and again when an individual has been asked to draw parallels but instead takes a defensive stance thus avoiding showing their argument to be full of holes.

LOM makes a valid point in that we don't see mass apoplexy when there are other human catastrophe stories in the news. The common denominator is the Jews. Its pretty clear cut and you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not see it.

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that old chestnut, whataboutism. This is a device that is used time and again when an individual has been asked to draw parallels but instead takes a defensive stance thus avoiding showing their argument to be full of holes.

LOM makes a valid point in that we don't see mass apoplexy when there are other human catastrophe stories in the news. The common denominator is the Jews. Its pretty clear cut and you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not see it.

Just like the old chestnut of calling everybody racist/prejudiced when you disagree with them.

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Just like the old chestnut of calling everybody racist/prejudiced when you disagree with them.

have I done such a thing?

[Eric Cartman]

that old chestnut, whataboutism. This is a device that is used time and again when an individual has been asked to draw parallels but instead takes a defensive stance thus avoiding showing their argument to be full of holes.

LOM makes a valid point in that we don't see mass apoplexy when there are other human catastrophe stories in the news. The common denominator is the Jews. Its pretty clear cut and you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not see it.

Yes I often reminisce about when we were all celebrating the caliphate gaining territory, on reflection we should have been more critical of the beheadings and of course we would have been if they had been Jewish... Really???

The reason we have these discussions about Israel and not other conflicts is because it's layered and complicated, lots of the things LOM highlights in his rants are cut and dry, they don't naturally provoke discussion. I didn't think this needed pointing out but there we go.

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Yes I often reminisce about when we were all celebrating the caliphate gaining territory, on reflection we should have been more critical of the beheadings and of course we would have been if they had been Jewish... Really???

The reason we have these discussions about Israel and not other conflicts is because it's layered and complicated, lots of the things LOM highlights in his rants are cut and dry, they don't naturally provoke discussion. I didn't think this needed pointing out but there we go.

You're creating a straw man when none exists. I appreciate threads ebb and flow, and it is your right to change tack if it suits your argument, but its a tried and tested technique to obfuscate and those of us experienced in such matters can see through your charade.

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You're creating a straw man when none exists. I appreciate threads ebb and flow, and it is your right to change tack if it suits your argument, but its a tried and tested technique to obfuscate and those of us experienced in such matters can see through your charade.

I've no idea what you are even trying to say here.

I was explaining why some topics prompt discussion and others dont. LOM doesn't appear to understand this and neither do you.

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I've no idea what you are even trying to say here.

I was explaining why some topics prompt discussion and others dont. LOM doesn't appear to understand this and neither do you.

I understand it perfectly. The Israeli Palestinian conflict attracts the left wing Citizen Smith types such as yourself because its all about Jew bashing.

[Eric Cartman]

I understand it perfectly. The Israeli Palestinian conflict attracts the left wing Citizen Smith types such as yourself because its all about Jew bashing.

And just like that the facade of intelligence is gone.

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https://twitter.com/kann_news/status...101104128?s=19

here's a video clip of a Palestinian girl being shot in the back with a sponge tipped bullet by Israeli police. apparently they were instructed to go back into their house, which they all did, then as they were just through the door they shot the little girl in the back and then threw a stun grenade as her dad desperately tried to protect her.

to be able to shoot a little girl in the back must mean that they are completely dehumanised to you. I'm sure the police officer (s) that did it are completely unremarkable and if you or I had grown up in their shoes we would probably feel the same as they do about Israel and Palestinians.
how do you go about undoing that kind of deep rooted dehumanisation that has been grown over a lifetime - on both sides.

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https://twitter.com/kann_news/status...101104128?s=19

here's a video clip of a Palestinian girl being shot in the back with a sponge tipped bullet by Israeli police. apparently they were instructed to go back into their house, which they all did, then as they were just through the door they shot the little girl in the back and then threw a stun grenade as her dad desperately tried to protect her.

to be able to shoot a little girl in the back must mean that they are completely dehumanised to you. I'm sure the police officer (s) that did it are completely unremarkable and if you or I had grown up in their shoes we would probably feel the same as they do about Israel and Palestinians.
how do you go about undoing that kind of deep rooted dehumanisation that has been grown over a lifetime - on both sides.

All I see is someone shot at someone else off camera. Far be it for me to challenge the verisimilitude of what you are saying, but is there any evidence (other than witty rhetoric of those with an agenda) to substantiate the claim she was shot in the back. And why doesn't the filming angle of the 2nd clip match what is going on in the first clip?

The rest of your post is spot on.

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All I see is someone shot at someone else off camera. Far be it for me to challenge the verisimilitude of what you are saying, but is there any evidence (other than witty rhetoric of those with an agenda) to substantiate the claim she was shot in the back. And why doesn't the filming angle of the 2nd clip match what is going on in the first clip?

The rest of your post is spot on.

The second clip is clearly a different camera.
The account posting the videos seems to be the Israeli State broadcaster - I'm not sure they would be posting unsubstantiated videos.
There are also other accounts showing the girl now in hospital, saying she has fractures in her spine and heavily bruised lungs

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The second clip is clearly a different camera.
The account posting the videos seems to be the Israeli State broadcaster - I'm not sure they would be posting unsubstantiated videos.
There are also other accounts showing the girl now in hospital, saying she has fractures in her spine and heavily bruised lungs

I am aware that the second clip is a different camera. one is an internal CCTV camera and the other is taken through the fence. however, if you look at where the fence is taken and the direction the cop shoots, then you look at where the CCTV is placed, you'll see the angles are wrong (the CCTV is mounted directly in line with where the camera in the first video is taken from, yet there is no one inside recording)

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I am aware that the second clip is a different camera. one is an internal CCTV camera and the other is taken through the fence. however, if you look at where the fence is taken and the direction the cop shoots, then you look at where the CCTV is placed, you'll see the angles are wrong (the CCTV is mounted directly in line with where the camera in the first video is taken from, yet there is no one inside recording)

I took the second recording as being a neighbour

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have I done such a thing?

Yes, unless you think a 'jew basher' wouldn't be categorised as prejudiced.

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seem to match up fine to me

of course, what about the shadows...

in the internal video, the first shot is fired at 1:08 and then a grenade of sorts comes through 10 seconds later.

in the second video the first shot is at 0:13 and there is no further shooting.

I'm not convinced they are the same incident, but then the second video, for some reason, is cut short.

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what facade?

The one you have desperately trying to keep attached to yourself throughout this thread.

You behave the same way every time. At first you make a good fist of playing devil's advocate, then you pick a camp and become completely entrenched, unable to listen to anybody else or comprehend what they are saying, eventually start acting like a child, get personal and dismissive of any other opinion and then the thread dies.

The amount of times a thread like this ends with one of your posts is astounding, it isn't because you were right but because people got tired of banging their head against a wall.

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The one you have desperately trying to keep attached to yourself throughout this thread.

You behave the same way every time. At first you make a good fist of playing devil's advocate, then you pick a camp and become completely entrenched, unable to listen to anybody else or comprehend what they are saying, eventually start acting like a child, get personal and dismissive of any other opinion and then the thread dies.

The amount of times a thread like this ends with one of your posts is astounding, it isn't because you were right but because people got tired of banging their head against a wall.

you could always block my posts. its not difficult. i would have thought a sagacious individual such as you would have been able to work that out.

[Eric Cartman]

you could always block my posts. its not difficult. i would have thought a sagacious individual such as you would have been able to work that out.

No thanks, you have interesting takes sometimes, it just always descends into...

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Feedback is the most contrary, delusional prick on this MB... ever..

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Feedback is the most contrary, delusional prick on this MB... ever..

Thanks, I'm flattered I really am

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What an incredibly limp post

Yet here you are responding yet again.

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No thanks, you have interesting takes sometimes, it just always descends into...

...Oscar Wilde rapier like wit and devastating repartee