Reply With QuoteWell you and the boyo above are the archetypal devils advocate so I can deal with that all day longOriginally Posted by xsnaggle
I was waiting for this.........
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If these coppers are found not guilty then should we accept it ?
The Cardiff 3 were stiched up and when they were found guilty people were saying well done the old bill .
But they were framed and there was a massive cover up
Who is to say these coppers , who were in a relationship , are not telling fibs ?
What are you going to say if these coppers are found guilty ?
You are going to look like a right idiot
I hope that if they are not guilty , then they will be found not guilty
But the crown prosecution service needs a lot of evidence to go ahead and charge police officers with this sort of crime
What do you reckon then ?
Well you and the boyo above are the archetypal devils advocate so I can deal with that all day longI was waiting for this.........
Not all... But there are some major problems and institutionally racist.
Stephen Lawrence.
STILL no justice
Says the archtetypal "police are wrong - - the alleged perp had a mental health issue and needed a cuddle"
I'm out!!!!!
Cardiff 3 , biggest stich up in the history of UK policing .......here in South Wales
So let me get this right. If they are found not guilty we should not accept the verdict, but if they are found guilty then I’m going to look an idiot? So basically we should only accept the verdict if it’s the verdict you want?
Spare us the Cardiff 3 story. Heard it too many times from you. Totally irrelevant to this case. His own brother said he was strangling his father ffs. That’s not a story concocted by the police.
I am glad you are out
The old bill are good and bad
People who say the British Police are the best in the world are just waving the union Jack, plenty of bad apples in all walks of life
It appears he was having a psychotic episode which is a very serious illness , you control people like that , if needed with a taser , the stupid suggestion that he had issues and needed a cuddle is coming from you
You don't kick them in the head so hard you leave an imprint of your shoe on them
If the court decides that kicking this bloke in the head was reasonable force then thats the way it goes
I bet some people loved seeing the miners getting a battering by the police , good old fashioned policing , god bless em
Every high profile crime or alleged crime discussed on here you play the mental health card, like the woman who stabbed people in the shop, defending her before anyone even knew the facts. It's not about this case it is your total conviction that you are right the police are bent the system is broke etc etc in every single case.
the prisons are full of people who were etither stitched up by the police or should be in hospital.
Now, as I said, I'm out!
No , you haven't got it right . Sorry .
the cardiff 3 story will always be relevant , I know you don't like that but thats tough .
The police appear to have booted a man in the head who was tapered
Now if the court hears that this man was so ill that he had incredible strength and that the police officers had no choice but to use such tactics that will be backed up by a consultant psychiatrist .
You can Google articles all day long , its of no interest to me
thats complete rubbish and hyperbole
Close the door on your way out
Tapered him? Was he wearing flared trousers?
I don’t often agree with you but that’s spot on.
Tasered
Out of interest, when you first heard about that incident, what did you think? My first opinion was that someone had mentally lost the plot.
its complete rubbish , he's all over the place
The girl who killed that old bloke and tried to kill several other people in the valleys could be described as a druggie , and there's not doubt she was an addict but the judge who sentenced her to be detained in a secure psychiatric hospital did so after listening to evidence from consultant psychiatrists . An awful event but wether you like it or not he or she deemed that the best place for society for that woman was not to put her in prison for 30 years but to lock her away and for her to be under the care of a secure mental hospital . Imagine if she had been put in a run of the mill women's prison ? A young girl in for fraud or theft could be attacked and killed , making it three victims . Now the fact that she took drugs and why she got addicted we don't know about . The family of the man killed must be in agony but the court has to be guided by the evidence . If that had been my father , like anyone else, I would be wanting her hanging high but that's not the way it is .
which was the opinion of the court
Thankfully these two beauties were not involved in the legal process
Eric, at the time sludge insisted she was not of sound mind and would probably be found unfit to plead. In reality when she was assessed she was found fit for trial. The opinion was that her mental health had appeared to have seriously deteriorated since her arrest but that at the time of the incident she was of sound enough mind to know what she was doing and was responsible for her actions.
I recall thinking when I read it that the deterioration in her mental health seemed a little too convenient to me, but that's just the cynic in me coming out.
Luckily your not involved either, or the jails would be empty, and the streets would be awash with nut jobs.
This case goes to show how the police are absolutely inadequate at dealing with people and cases when mental health issues are involved
Regardless of any personal views of the police we have to accept that mental health is a significant problem and the police should be properly resourced and trained to deal with these kind of situations, which will increase, not decrease.
Also, the police are very disproportionate in their responses in some situations.
It needs a fresh look for sure.
Although it isn't as relevant in this country it's why "defiund the police" actually makes sense if you look into it.
It means a lot of situations, such as incidents like this where there's a mental health issue, need to be handled by someone with different skills to what the police are trained in.
Situations like this are almost completely avoidable but the current system makes it difficult for everyone.
Do agree as some police people are absolutely inadequate at dealing with people and cases when mental health issues are involved however some, and I woudl argue its a sweeping statement to make as they do deal with them every day you only have t look at domestic dispute crime data that costs £66 billion in England and Wales alone , thankfully not everyone dies from every call out a lot of them are mental health issue related .
Tough job
Well clearly the judge and the psychiatrists were tricked by this woman and you are right , she was kidding them
what a lovely term , nut job
Can you throw in psycho , schizo ?
Dear me
[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;5196081]what a lovely term , nut job
Can you throw in psycho , schizo ?
Dear me[/QUOTE
See here’s the thing. You never give 2 fu*ks for the victims. Your’e always straight in supporting the perpetrator. You’re like a modern day Lord Longford.
[QUOTE=William Treseder;5196097]Isnt Atkinson the victim in this case?
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