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  1. #21

    Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    During the really bad weeks and months of lockdown we had "celebrities" queuing up to apologise for breaking the rules. Occasionally they'd do it more than once - Rita Ora for example - merely apologising for breaking rules or making offensive comments is not always enough.

    These days, people who feel it is inexcusable to make the sort of comments Ollie Robinson did are made out to be the villains of the piece because they are considered "woke" - what sort of bizzaro world are we living in where it's the people who find inexcusable comments offensive who are put on the defensive?

    Ollie Robinson is an impressive cricketer and I admire the way he has reacted on the pitch under pressure since the news of the tweets he made broke. He will be back for England I'm sure, but, to use the catchall term, he has been guilty of bringing the game into disrepute and should be punished - offering an apology eight or nine years after the event only after what he did has come to light is no defence and if people just thought about that, rather than rushing to make political points , they would see things more clearly,
    The thing is, it's all white people who think it's ok for an apology like the one he has given, a bit like apologising to your sister 20 years on, because it was really you who broke her record player! Not a chance. The problem is that plain old sorry just aint enough. He needs to show that he isn't a racist, he has to do something physical, get involved etc, that's the same for all of us. No doubt i'll have the usual wankers on my case, trotting out the usual cliched, apologist crap.

  2. #22

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    To add... Imagine if this had been a young British Pakistani playing for England, And what came to light was him encouraging Terrorism, Hatred towards jews etc. on the old Twitter. I wonder how that would go down? Ahh, it's nothing, he was a kid' The P.C brigade are winning...

  3. #23

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    I've tried to cast my mind back to when I was 18. Quite difficult I must say!
    I certainly said and did some strange things at that age, but did I ever abuse anyone, racially, or in other ways? I think not. I doubt that if Twitter had been about that i would have said the same things as Robinson either.
    No, i dont think what he said was acceptable and to me is a reflection of a mindset which he probably still holds today.
    It is disappointing that reasonable posters on here cannot see what he says is unacceptable and goes a long way to explaining the unpleasant country we have become.
    Robinson will be reinstated eventually, as he should but like another poster has said, he needs to show in a tangible manner that his attitude has changed.

  4. #24

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    One of his tweets was "hanging like Gary Speed", sent a few months after the suicide.

    I wonder what the reaction on here would have been at the time had it been shared when he was a nobody.

  5. #25

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    Every 18-19 year old boy has done something they wouldn't do or say now. It's about growing up. I think having comments shown to the nation is humiliating and punishment enough.

    I don't really see what holding him to account now about views he no longer relates to. There needs to be some sort of timescale as these things are going to keep presenting themselves over and over again. If he had a conviction for them, would have been spent now, he didn't move on.

  6. #26

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    Boris Johnson, who has not apologised for any of his comments*, has said a suspension of the player is going too far. I wonder if he recognises conflict of interest?

    A suspension is the right thing to do and in this case it appears that period can be completed very, very quickly. If he's grown up/learnt from mistakes he won't mind sitting out of cricket for a week or two and making a further apology before things move on.

    *His recent apology was for offence taken rather than for wanting to make anti-islam comments.

  7. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    To add... Imagine if this had been a young British Pakistani playing for England, And what came to light was him encouraging Terrorism, Hatred towards jews etc. on the old Twitter. I wonder how that would go down? Ahh, it's nothing, he was a kid' The P.C brigade are winning...
    If anyone was found to be encouraging terrorism I'd hope they'd get a knock from the police.

  8. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
    If anyone was found to be encouraging terrorism I'd hope they'd get a knock from the police.
    Nice swerve.

  9. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Nice swerve.
    His comment is beyond stupid, of course the reaction would be different in that scenario.

  10. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
    His comment is beyond stupid, of course the reaction would be different in that scenario.
    Racism is a crime as well. My point may have been over the top, but if it was a British Muslim spouting hate, who just so happened to play for England, then you know as well as I do that the reaction on here and with the public and media in general, would he the polar opposite.

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    Re: Ollie Robinson/Twitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
    His comment is beyond stupid, of course the reaction would be different in that scenario.
    Nice swerve.

  12. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Racism is a crime as well. My point may have been over the top, but if it was a British Muslim spouting hate, who just so happened to play for England, then you know as well as I do that the reaction on here and with the public and media in general, would he the polar opposite.
    I don't disagree with you at all, just thought the comparison was completely ridiculous and discredited your point. I don't really care that some idiot is getting repercussions for tweets he made when he was an adult, he brought the sport into disrepute and will serve a small suspension, oh well.

  13. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Nice swerve.

  14. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
    I don't disagree with you at all, just thought the comparison was completely ridiculous and discredited your point. I don't really care that some idiot is getting repercussions for tweets he made when he was an adult, he brought the sport into disrepute and will serve a small suspension, oh well.
    Yup, the point i made about encouraging Terrorism was over the top, granted, but surely you can see the point i'm making if you forget that comment. Why you couldn't just say that in the first place instead of dismissing the whole post based on one point is a bit beyond me!

  15. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Labour leader View Post
    I've tried to cast my mind back to when I was 18. Quite difficult I must say!
    I certainly said and did some strange things at that age, but did I ever abuse anyone, racially, or in other ways? I think not. I doubt that if Twitter had been about that i would have said the same things as Robinson either.
    No, i dont think what he said was acceptable and to me is a reflection of a mindset which he probably still holds today.
    It is disappointing that reasonable posters on here cannot see what he says is unacceptable and goes a long way to explaining the unpleasant country we have become.
    Robinson will be reinstated eventually, as he should but like another poster has said, he needs to show in a tangible manner that his attitude has changed.
    Hasn't the length of time some 9 years been served since repeating the same remarks or behaviours enough time as he is now 27 , some folk are released form jail within shorter periods of time for major crime ?

  16. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Hasn't the length of time some 9 years been served since repeating the same remarks or behaviours enough time as he is now 27 , some folk are released form jail within shorter periods of time for major crime ?
    Jesus, He hasn't been to jail though,or been punished. You make it sound like he's been persecuted for the past 10 years or whatever it is. These tweets have only just come to light. He was-is an idiot, most 18 year olds don't spout shit like that. He needs to be seen to be doing something about what he said. A simple 'Sorry mate' isn't enough. Hopefully he learns and is allowed to continue his career. Hopefully this episode changes his attitude and something positive comes from it.

  17. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Jesus, He hasn't been to jail though,or been punished. You make it sound like he's been persecuted for the past 10 years or whatever it is. These tweets have only just come to light. He was-is an idiot, most 18 year olds don't spout shit like that. He needs to be seen to be doing something about what he said. A simple 'Sorry mate' isn't enough. Hopefully he learns and is allowed to continue his career. Hopefully this episode changes his attitude and something positive comes from it.
    How do we know he hasn't changed his attitude since that post some 9 years ago and is a completely reformed character,is there evidence to say otherwise , are there more posts to be revealed ??

  18. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    How do we know he hasn't changed his attitude since that post some 9 years ago and is a completely reformed character,is there evidence to say otherwise , are there more posts to be revealed ??
    We don't know, that's the whole point, isn't it?

  19. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    We don't know, that's the whole point, isn't it?
    Well the minefield twitter snoopers / media would have been digging around , and something would have surfaced by now I'm guessing,what does he have to do to prove himself now ? If this behaviour was carried out in the last few years I'd suggest a life ban from all forms cricket would be appropriate. The man is now 27 and was once a stupid or pissed up 18 year old , is the key for me .

  20. #40

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    Remarkable that government ministers and the PM are getting involved. They are virtually condoning it. Gives free rein to any teenager to fill their racist/sexist boots. Those who make those comments at 18 almost certainly still hold those views I would suggest.

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